Love how combo players think their decks require more skill than Eldlich when

[Lazer]

When this is a 2 player game, in the end of the day you wont beat combo decks consistently without knowing most of these fanzy combos and plays yourself, just to strike these decks when it really hurts like with Torrential, Gozen match, Dimensional barrier, Solemn strike etc. As well as knowing when they are low on resources and their outs for floodgates.

I am not denying that Eldlich or other floodgate control decks have a lower entry ceiling at the start than learning a combo deck, but at the higher level for Eldlich its the same if not harder. Combo decks make this game just more confusing for the opponent which is a plus for them, its positive complication. Eldlich is pretty simple to grasp but its a negative later on when you have to learn all the combo stuff anyways, while your own deck is exposed to everyone as ''monkey flip''

[Rainy days.]

>Combo decks
You mean a deck that loses, hard, unless 35 of its 40 cards are in the deck?

[JKArtorias]

Eldlich has no skill ceiling. Maybe 60 card Zombie world with Eldlich splashed in takes skill but idk. Rarely see it.

Eldlich seems splashed in cause it has easy to meet special summon conditions. Monke flipping a card that specifically searches Eldlich takes skill? Not at ♥♥♥♥♥♥ all. The reason you see it used with floodgates is cause it's extremely easy to do so as Eldlich doesn't get hurt at all by them.

Tell me your Eldlich combos outside of "I flip Imperial on reaction instead of immediately on draw phase"

[Zelwy]

I mean, the opinion that stun decks requires no skill is quite popular in yugioh.

[Aldain]

Originally posted by SirCroix:

I mean, the opinion that stun decks requires no skill is quite popular in yugioh.

I mean...it's kind of true, especially in regards to persistent effects that stay on board and only crumple to backrow hate (which not many run because a ton of monsters have that built in these days).

Not that I think Flow-Chart-Oh is much higher up on the skill requirements though.

[gaylard]

dont deckshame me, it cost $20 for this flowchart.

[Silyon]

Childish trolling from other folks aside...

Skill in this game isn't measured by how oppressive of a board you can build or how quickly you can otk your opponent. Those are often intrinsic to an archetype, and it's pointless trying to compare two completely different archetypes to one another. It's hard to even compare relatively similar ones, like Drytrons to Eldlich, because there's so many differences between them. Never-mind trying to compare random pile decks to one another.

No, Skill instead is measured by your knowledge of the game's rules and your creativity in finding different ways to use the tools available in your particular deck or archetype to negate or otherwise get around your opponent's board. Just because you're playing a gimmick pile of cards, like Destiny Board or w/e, you can still very well beat meta decks IF you're more familiar with how the game works than your opponent is. Just because a deck is commonly seen as "weak" doesn't mean it can't beat meta decks fairly regularly if the player behind it really knows what they're doing.

A deck on it's own is just power; the player has to know how to apply that power properly in order to have it be effective. And naturally, the best players combine their inherent skill in the game with high-powered decks and archetypes that suit them.

[Yuputka]

Originally posted by Silyon:

Childish trolling from other folks aside...

Skill in this game isn't measured by how oppressive of a board you can build or how quickly you can otk your opponent. Those are often intrinsic to an archetype, and it's pointless trying to compare two completely different archetypes to one another. It's hard to even compare relatively similar ones, like Drytrons to Eldlich, because there's so many differences between them. Never-mind trying to compare random pile decks to one another.

No, Skill instead is measured by your knowledge of the game's rules and your creativity in finding different ways to use the tools available in your particular deck or archetype to negate or otherwise get around your opponent's board. Just because you're playing a gimmick pile of cards, like Destiny Board or w/e, you can still very well beat meta decks IF you're more familiar with how the game works than your opponent is. Just because a deck is commonly seen as "weak" doesn't mean it can't beat meta decks fairly regularly if the player behind it really knows what they're doing.

A deck on it's own is just power; the player has to know how to apply that power properly in order to have it be effective. And naturally, the best players combine their inherent skill in the game with high-powered decks and archetypes that suit them.

also how quickly one can adapt to new levels or power or unfamiliar power. such as identifying whether certain effects would end up properly negated, whether it's a choke point, which effects they need to bait out and which extra deck monsters to summon next turn all from just reading a few of the opponents cards. all at just seeing a deck for the first or second time.

basically how quickly one can apply the knowledge they absorb

[Fantaken King]

Hmmm whats more skillful> Memorizing the same combo or setting 5 floodgates and winning? Next time, claim mid range decks are skillful not stun or combo stun dumbass.

[Zelwy]

what is skill in yugioh

[Zelwy]

Originally posted by gredora:

Originally posted by SirCroix:

what is skill in yugioh

MST sniping a set Mirror Force.

then I am very skilled

[CDI Mario]

Sword soul players thinking they are so skill full playing 1 card to get a negate on board and a Barronne all on 1 turn with multiple way to get to that 1 card they need. its ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ruining the game

[gaylard]

Originally posted by Silyon:

Childish trolling from other folks aside...

cope, i am going to roll ym face on a keyboard, end on 2 negates, and not even the godliest worm player with a hand they picked can defeat me.

[Hell Poet Hero]

Originally posted by SirCroix:

what is skill in yugioh

something i can remove by paying 1000 lp
i pay another 2000 to remove mind and soul (figurative)
now we're playing swordsoul

[Hell Poet Hero]

this thread again?
are people so starved of points that they resort to bait for clown points on a card game's board?

[Kissa]

my deck requires a little bit of skill.. if im too tired to think well and make wrong choices its not possible to win. the others have fast and powerful decks and with those a single mistake can mean that i lose.. each card type has their own function and its important to pick the right one for each turn.. also important to be careful if they have something like ash because there is only 3 of each card and i kind of have better uses for all of them than fighting against negates