Why do the Discard effects of Slash Draw and Serial Spell not trigger Broww?

[Yerc2]

I feel like I'm missing some mechanical understanding in regards to effects.

Basically, Slash Draw and Serial Spell's discard effects trigger Danger monsters' discard abilities, but they do not trigger Broww, Huntsman of Dark World's.
Why is this?

Also, sometimes when I draw a Fortune Fairy monster during my opponent's turn, I do not get the prompt to special summon them from my hand.
Does this have something to do with chains or cards that have multiple parts to their effects?
Is it something similar to how even if you draw two different Fortune Fairy monsters at once, you can only activate the effect of one of them?

This is all of course when there are no cards that would negate the effects or activations of these cards.

I'll post the card effects here.

Slash Draw
Discard 1 card; send cards from the top of your Deck to the GY, equal to the number of cards your opponent controls, then draw 1 card and show it. Then, if it was "Slash Draw", send it to the GY, and if you do, destroy as many cards on the field as possible, then inflict 2000 damage to your opponent for each card destroyed and sent to the GY by this effect. If the card you drew was not "Slash Draw", shuffle cards from your GY into your Deck, equal to the number of cards sent from your Deck to the GY by this effect. You can only activate 1 "Slash Draw" per turn.

Serial Spell
Activate only when you activate one of your Normal Spell Cards. Discard all the cards in your hand to the Graveyard. The effect of this card becomes the same as the Normal Spell Card.

Broww, Huntsman of Dark World
If this card is discarded to the Graveyard by a card effect: Draw 1 card, plus another card if this card was discarded from your hand to your Graveyard by an opponent's card effect.

[Aldain]

Might be some weird "As cost vs for effect" voodoo that Konami ever so loves.

For example, did you know that sending a Weathering Soldier to the GY with Rock Bombardment doesn't allow it to use it's effect despite Miracle Rupture doing the same thing and allowing it?

I didn't until I found out about it playing Duel Links, consistency thy name is not Yu-gi-oh.

[JKArtorias]

Originally posted by Aldain:

Might be some weird "As cost vs for effect" voodoo that Konami ever so loves.

For example, did you know that sending a Weathering Soldier to the GY with Rock Bombardment doesn't allow it to use it's effect despite Miracle Rupture doing the same thing and allowing it?

I didn't until I found out about it playing Duel Links, consistency thy name is not Yu-gi-oh.

It's not voodoo. It's basic rulings.

Yes the discard is not part of the effect on Slash Draw. It's the cost for activation.

[Aldain]

Originally posted by JKArtorias:

Originally posted by Aldain:

Might be some weird "As cost vs for effect" voodoo that Konami ever so loves.

For example, did you know that sending a Weathering Soldier to the GY with Rock Bombardment doesn't allow it to use it's effect despite Miracle Rupture doing the same thing and allowing it?

I didn't until I found out about it playing Duel Links, consistency thy name is not Yu-gi-oh.

It's not voodoo. It's basic rulings.

Yes the discard is not part of the effect on Slash Draw. It's the cost for activation.

...Wait I was actually right?

I was just guessing a common contention point but expecting something more complex to be the true root cause.

[JKArtorias]

Originally posted by Aldain:

Originally posted by JKArtorias:

It's not voodoo. It's basic rulings.

Yes the discard is not part of the effect on Slash Draw. It's the cost for activation.

...Wait I was actually right?

I was just guessing a common contention point but expecting something more complex to be the true root cause.

Nah, cost isn't an effect. So it won't trigger anything that needs to be discarded by effect to activate.

Slash Draw says "Discard 1 card;" that's the end of it's cost.

It's also why Despia Tragedy triggers on Allure Of Darkness causing the +2 to be a +2 and +1 search. Since Allure's banish isn't for cost. But something you pay as part of the effect.

[Yerc2]

I thought costs were identified by the semicolon.
However, Broww's effect isn't triggered by Serial Spell either. Are there some costs that aren't listed before semicolons?

Or maybe does Serial Spell changing it's effect to the spell card it copies make it not eligible for the "discard by card effect" part.

[JKArtorias]

Originally posted by Yerc2:

I thought costs were identified by the semicolon.
However, Broww's effect isn't triggered by Serial Spell either. Are there some costs that aren't listed before semicolons?

Or maybe does Serial Spell changing it's effect to the spell card it copies make it not eligible for the "discard by card effect" part.

For Serial Spell it's gotta just be that the entire card is a cost. Even though it really should have semicolons it might just be some really old ass card. Like how an old card that targets doesn't say target but says select or some ♥♥♥♥.

[dabestgamer]

Yes, Serial Spell was never reprinted after PSCT became a thing mid-2011, so PSCT logic simply does not apply to it, and you have to resort to rulings.

[Yerc2]

I see, thanks for the answers!

[Yerc2]

Err, Why does Upstart Goblin not trigger Fortune Fairy Chee's "special summon this card if you draw it" effect?

Don't tell me that Upstart Goblin's "draw 1 card" is actually "add the top card from your deck to your hand". I will cry.

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Misses timing.

Chee is a "when...you can..." effect, so the last thing to happen needs to be that you draw her, but Upstart Goblin draws a card, then gives your opponent LP, so the last thing to happen is the LP gain, not the draw, so she can't activate.

[MancakeBR]

Originally posted by JKArtorias:

Originally posted by Aldain:

...Wait I was actually right?

I was just guessing a common contention point but expecting something more complex to be the true root cause.

Nah, cost isn't an effect. So it won't trigger anything that needs to be discarded by effect to activate.

Slash Draw says "Discard 1 card;" that's the end of it's cost.

It's also why Despia Tragedy triggers on Allure Of Darkness causing the +2 to be a +2 and +1 search. Since Allure's banish isn't for cost. But something you pay as part of the effect.

Allure by itself isn't a +, it's neutral. You banish 1 off of allure and the card of allure itself are 2 cards out of your hand and you get 2 cards back making it a 0 in card advantage.

With Tragedy being banished off of allure it then becomes a +1.

[JKArtorias]

Originally posted by MancakeBR:

Originally posted by JKArtorias:

Nah, cost isn't an effect. So it won't trigger anything that needs to be discarded by effect to activate.

Slash Draw says "Discard 1 card;" that's the end of it's cost.

It's also why Despia Tragedy triggers on Allure Of Darkness causing the +2 to be a +2 and +1 search. Since Allure's banish isn't for cost. But something you pay as part of the effect.

Allure by itself isn't a +, it's neutral. You banish 1 off of allure and the card of allure itself are 2 cards out of your hand and you get 2 cards back making it a 0 in card advantage.

With Tragedy being banished off of allure it then becomes a +1.

Ahh when i say + i just mean cards out of the deck in a useable form.

But yeah you are right you do go down 2 cards for the +2 effect.

[tiberiansun371alexw]

If the card was printed before problem solving card text, ask yourself if you would still discard if there was a Dark Bribe and if the answer is "yes" then Broww doens't work. You'd think newer archetypes which worked on all discards would have just displaced Dark Worlds entirely, but somehow they still see play.

[HeraldOfOpera]

Originally posted by tiberiansun371alexw:

If the card was printed before problem solving card text, ask yourself if you would still discard if there was a Dark Bribe and if the answer is "yes" then Broww doens't work. You'd think newer archetypes which worked on all discards would have just displaced Dark Worlds entirely, but somehow they still see play.

Because the extra restrictions mean they have a higher power budget.