Yu-Gi-Oh! Master Duel

Yu-Gi-Oh! Master Duel

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kenshireando Sep 13, 2022 @ 12:57pm
Draw is rigged
Like, seriously, wtf is this hand? Aside of the fact that i always tend to draw one of my only 2 normal cards on the deck on the first hand, now i draw both and 3 copies of other card??? I think there is more chance of winning the lottery than this happening in a real duel
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Daguza Sep 13, 2022 @ 1:08pm 
I feel like this happens a bit too much too. Like 3 duels straight of drawing 1 of's or 3 of 1st turn. It's type of ♥♥♥♥ that if you wanted to show a friend you couldn't replicate irl and they call you crazy. Assuming irl you where shuffling correctly. Which brings up questions about the shuffling algorithm for this game...
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wildnike Sep 13, 2022 @ 1:42pm 
Unfortunately you do not have more of a chance of winning the lottery, *but* you did get quite the lucky (or unlucky) draw.

Assuming a 40 card deck, drawing all 3 copies of the same card in a 5 card hand is 0.10121457% -- and you hit a double whammy with getting a duplicate on top of that!

But no, not quite what you need for the Powerball.
lol konami
Merilirem Sep 13, 2022 @ 2:42pm 
You played many real duels? If you shuffle properly this kind of thing happens plenty. There are only so many card combo's and you get them all.
KenderMystic Sep 13, 2022 @ 3:26pm 
Ah ♥♥♥♥, here we go again.
HeraldOfOpera Sep 13, 2022 @ 3:50pm 
My Shiny Altaria says you're wrong.
Lasagna Sep 13, 2022 @ 5:31pm 
opening 3 maxx c, a garnet, and a desires (draws into another desires and a longyuan I can't do anything without another wyrm 15+ wyrms i play in my deck, also desires banished all mo yes and taias).

average bricksouls opening hand.
Silyon Sep 13, 2022 @ 5:40pm 
Originally posted by wildnike:
Unfortunately you do not have more of a chance of winning the lottery, *but* you did get quite the lucky (or unlucky) draw.

Assuming a 40 card deck, drawing all 3 copies of the same card in a 5 card hand is 0.10121457% -- and you hit a double whammy with getting a duplicate on top of that!

But no, not quite what you need for the Powerball.

Even so, I should probably buy some tickets. That 0.1% chance has happened to me no less than six times already this week. But that's par for my course, I've always had the tendancy to get the statistically unlikely happening uncannily often.

But far as the shuffler being rigged? Hah, fat chance. Whether it's Konami being vindictive or "hackers" somehow cheating in a game where victory is largely meaningless, I'd like OP to even begin to describe how such an algorithm could be coded. Computers arn't smart enough to know how these different cards work together, which is kinda needed in order to force brick hands on a player through anything more than happenstance. This would mean the coder responsible would have a mountain of code to parse through to accommodate even a handful of decks. Imagine the bugs that would leave, omg.
Hexi Sep 13, 2022 @ 6:32pm 
Why are you running 2 normal monsters in beetroopers? You only need to run 1, also most beetroopers lists run 2 scale bomber not 3. No one has been able to prove that the draw is rigged but improving your deck building will net you better hands.
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wildnike Sep 13, 2022 @ 6:45pm 
Originally posted by Silyon:
Originally posted by wildnike:
Unfortunately you do not have more of a chance of winning the lottery, *but* you did get quite the lucky (or unlucky) draw.

Assuming a 40 card deck, drawing all 3 copies of the same card in a 5 card hand is 0.10121457% -- and you hit a double whammy with getting a duplicate on top of that!

But no, not quite what you need for the Powerball.

Even so, I should probably buy some tickets. That 0.1% chance has happened to me no less than six times already this week. But that's par for my course, I've always had the tendancy to get the statistically unlikely happening uncannily often.

But far as the shuffler being rigged? Hah, fat chance. Whether it's Konami being vindictive or "hackers" somehow cheating in a game where victory is largely meaningless, I'd like OP to even begin to describe how such an algorithm could be coded. Computers arn't smart enough to know how these different cards work together, which is kinda needed in order to force brick hands on a player through anything more than happenstance. This would mean the coder responsible would have a mountain of code to parse through to accommodate even a handful of decks. Imagine the bugs that would leave, omg.

This isn't *necessarily* true.

Sure, trying to parse through every card and how they integrate with one another would be impossible. But if you want to rig *most* decks to be worse, you wouldn't have to do that. You'd just have to make a rule.

Like, say, a rule for giving a hand with duplicate elements (cards).

Sure, there are some decks who'd love to have 3 of's in their hand, but most? Doubt.

If you wanted to be a little more complex you could utilize pairwise association: analyze elements to see what hands tend to win more games, and what card sets are more like in these opening hands. People like to say the card game is far too big with over 10,000 cards or whatever, but really, how many of these cards are relevant, especially to the meta?

I'd say a fraction of that amount. More so, you don't even have to look through that fraction. Just look at the staples. Ash, Maxx C, whole nine yards. If I had a way to manipulate a deck's data set, and I could only integrate one "rule" for our association between cards, I could perhaps look at the effectiveness of hands with too many staples, or not enough. You wouldn't have to go far.

But personally, I doubt that is happening behind the scenes. The reality is there are only so many combinations a 5 card hand from 40 cards can produce, and what it is and isn't is the luck of the draw.
kenshireando Sep 13, 2022 @ 6:53pm 
Originally posted by Merilirem:
You played many real duels? If you shuffle properly this kind of thing happens plenty. There are only so many card combo's and you get them all.
Yes, a lot; and even when i had bad hands sometimes, they weren't like this, or at least, not so often
kenshireando Sep 13, 2022 @ 7:00pm 
Originally posted by gameing:
Why are you running 2 normal monsters in beetroopers? You only need to run 1, also most beetroopers lists run 2 scale bomber not 3. No one has been able to prove that the draw is rigged but improving your deck building will net you better hands.
It's not a beetrooper deck, it's just a very random insect deck. I actually started to run 2 normal insect monsters because i get tired of the game giving me the only normal monster in my deck in every starting hand, ruining my combo with gokipole.
Filipino Enjoyer Sep 14, 2022 @ 12:38am 
bro people really out here thinking konami rigs hands lmafo
JKArtorias Sep 14, 2022 @ 12:48am 
Originally posted by El Donko (TTV=Cringe):
bro people really out here thinking konami rigs hands lmafo
There's the guy on here who i won't name drop who thinks he bricks cause Konami only wants Asians to get good hands.
Merilirem Sep 14, 2022 @ 12:49am 
Originally posted by JKArtorias:
Originally posted by El Donko (TTV=Cringe):
bro people really out here thinking konami rigs hands lmafo
There's the guy on here who i won't name drop who thinks he bricks cause Konami only wants Asians to get good hands.
People do love to make themselves the center of the universe.
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