baroness de fleur mustr be banned

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i insist...there is so much cards you can not defeat like baroness de fleur. blue eyes rituals also too!

[Goshko]

Originally posted by YamiSama:

Ban the entire swordsoul archetype. Every other Duel my opponent is using the soul engine. Being able to summon both boss monsters first turn is annoying. Now i gotta run token collector just because ive run into so many soul decks. i understand it has a high win rate right now but come on man, is there no originality left anymore? My whole master duel run is me using rogue type decks just cuz its fun to not always win and actually have a 5+ turn duel. Ive had great duels where the turns were at 10-15. But losing to soul decks has become more than just annoying. Ban the entire archetype at this point.....

Sworsoul isnt even the best deck right now, and it will stay not being the best deck after the next set of cards come. Be ready for splight and tears to take swordsouls off the map soon.

[huntersw2]

Originally posted by mauro.angel.p:

Originally posted by Silamon:

There is nothing banworthy about Baroness.

It is a strong card certainly, but there are way stronger cards out there.

but is a almost victory for who summon baroness....can destroy 1 card and negate 1 efect so.. in the first turn the opponent summon that card you almost lose the match

if your deck can not play consitantly against one negate then you need a new deck

[King of the Abyss]

Originally posted by Knud den Store:

Originally posted by King of the Abyss:

droplets & darkruler no more be like am I a joke to you?

I play U.A. and I play Super Poly as a SoulSword hate card essentially because the board is always Chixiao + Baronne Pass and Soulsword cannot out Gilti without committing too much.

That said I am a Soul Sword Enjoyer now that people have migrated to Branded Fusion and oh boy do I love Sinister Sovereign.

he's really fun I personally have been making him over barrone cus tax is fun.

[Prinny]

If anything, maybe just change the summoning requirement can at least keep it in play but limit to it's original archetype. Most decks that summons it or used to summon (pre-/post-halqifibrax ban) have too many options to bring her out. Because of the generic summoning requirement, decks such as Swordsoul can bust her out from the get-go. Any decks that aren't competitive can easily be stomped if they don't got the right cards, as well as easily countered if the user has the perfect hand to do so. Hence, it's usually an instant win condition as baronne is a boss monster with high ATK, one destruction per turn and once per face up negate. Unless you have hand traps, negation quick plays or anything the meta usually have in their decks, then it's not gonna be a fun time.

[merkyofayceMF]

Generic boss monsters help when your archetype's boss monster would get blown off the field by stronger monsters. You could put all the pendulum magician archetype at 3 and would still lose consistently to SWS and Branded. Losing Halq hurt because now you have to SS more and risk getting Nibbed before Accesscode drops (lol generics being Pend boss monsters). Barrone is strong but as stated, she needs to leave the field before she gets another negate

[Brocknoth]

Originally posted by huntersw2:

Originally posted by mauro.angel.p:

but is a almost victory for who summon baroness....can destroy 1 card and negate 1 efect so.. in the first turn the opponent summon that card you almost lose the match

if your deck can not play consitantly against one negate then you need a new deck

I would argue the negate itself isn't the issue it's WHEN the negate shows up. Late game is one thing but if you're literally taking your first turn and staring down a Baronne/Swordsoul combo that's pretty gross. Basically anything your opponent doesn't like (IE everything) is going to get slapped, which generally means you don't even get to play your deck. The opposite can occur if you go first. Any little thing you play is going to get negated to limit what you can do and you can't even attack yet.

I'm sorry but a fist full of hand traps is not going to stop a empty/incomplete board from getting savagely torn apart the following turn by an established board running reusable negates/banishes/floodgates or what have you.

Tl:Dr - it's not always a failing of the deck it can also be RNG or a failing of balance.

[huntersw2]

Originally posted by Brocknoth:

Originally posted by huntersw2:

if your deck can not play consitantly against one negate then you need a new deck

I would argue the negate itself isn't the issue it's WHEN the negate shows up. Late game is one thing but if you're literally taking your first turn and staring down a Baronne/Swordsoul combo that's pretty gross. Basically anything your opponent doesn't like (IE everything) is going to get slapped, which generally means you don't even get to play your deck. The opposite can occur if you go first. Any little thing you play is going to get negated to limit what you can do and you can't even attack yet.

I'm sorry but a fist full of hand traps is not going to stop a empty/incomplete board from getting savagely torn apart the following turn by an established board running reusable negates/banishes/floodgates or what have you.

Tl:Dr - it's not always a failing of the deck it can also be RNG or a failing of balance.

RNG is part of it but barron is a one time negate unless you summon it again that is a strong effect but there but not impossible to deal with

[Yerc2]

Baron is definitely one of the stronger cards right now.
But that's partially because of how easy she is to get out and the cards that enable her to be summoned with one card.

Hopefully they fix the negate and flooding meta one day.

[Vent]

git gud

[aben WHY (VC Off)]

You should probably just play a non-official YGO simulator, they'll probably have game mode for older format.

[Merilirem]

Funnily enough this thread has finally convinced me to craft Baronne De Fleur. I have just been using Swordsoul Supreme Sovereign - Chengying in my decks since he's also generic and works pretty well in my Chaos Decks. I think ill finally get around to crafting her though. After i decide my next gem expenditure perhaps.

[Annysimmers]

Try adding "Warning Point". That trap card has been really helpful for me vs meta decks / cards

[Takasaur]

Just use 'Dark Ruler no More' tbh

[fat frank avin a beer]

Originally posted by Lasagna:

The correct reason to ban baronne isn't "she's unbeatable" it's because she's too generic and can be put into every deck that can make a level 10 synchro which is basically all of them that don't ED lock you.

The Blue Eyes ritual monsters are trash though, not only are they Blue-eyes monsters but they're Rituals which are almost unplayable outside of very niche cases (Drytron, which isn't even that good right now either.)

I'm a big advocate of banning generic boss monsters (and combo extenders like Halq/Auroradon (RIP BOZO)).

Well said, did you start working for the TCG ?

[Astrallight]

Originally posted by Awarmtoiletseat:

Originally posted by Lasagna:

The correct reason to ban baronne isn't "she's unbeatable" it's because she's too generic and can be put into every deck that can make a level 10 synchro which is basically all of them that don't ED lock you.

The Blue Eyes ritual monsters are trash though, not only are they Blue-eyes monsters but they're Rituals which are almost unplayable outside of very niche cases (Drytron, which isn't even that good right now either.)

I'm a big advocate of banning generic boss monsters (and combo extenders like Halq/Auroradon (RIP BOZO)).

Well said, did you start working for the TCG ?

Did you start working for the necro team ?