How do I Cyberdark?

[QweAndAHalf]

I'm super happy Cyberdark End Dragon is finally here, but I just realized I don't really know how to even play Cyberdarks.

I guess the first question is, can I mix them in neatly with Cyber Dragons? Or do I have to make a deck revolving around them (or at the very least around getting Cyberdark End Dragon out)

And secondly, for either answer to the first one, what on would be a good set up for it?

I know how to do just base Cyber Dragons and all that jazz, so I'm assuming Cyberdarks shouldn't be that far off right?

[Cha0zb0rn]

you don't. One of the most miserable archetypes ever printed.

[Coyote796]

Cyberdarks just pretty much revolve around the cards in the GY to banish to make the big boss monster. This pretty much takes up the whole of your turn in a combo so splashing Cyber Dragons in would be pointless.

Cyberdark combo goes as follows -
Use Cyberdark Cannon, Cyberdark Claw + Cyberdark Realm to add necessary cards to hand, pray you dont get hand trapped.
Use Cyberdark Chimera + Cyberdark Horizon to graveyard dump and set up for boss monster, again hope hand trapped.
Normal Summon Cyberdark Chimera, activate effect to send 1 spell/trap from hand for Powerbond, hope you don't get hand trapped.
Play Powerbond special summon Cyberdarkness Dragon using 5 materials.
Use Cyberdarkness Dragon effect to attach Cyber End which you sent with Cyberdark Horizon to GY.
Special summon the Cyberdarkness End Dragon.
Get hit by Solemn Judgement.
Take a deeeeeeeeeep breathe of Copium then try again lmao

[Otto]

Originally posted by Coyote796:

Cyberdarks just pretty much revolve around the cards in the GY to banish to make the big boss monster. This pretty much takes up the whole of your turn in a combo so splashing Cyber Dragons in would be pointless.

Cyberdark combo goes as follows -
Use Cyberdark Cannon, Cyberdark Claw + Cyberdark Realm to add necessary cards to hand, pray you dont get hand trapped.
Use Cyberdark Chimera + Cyberdark Horizon to graveyard dump and set up for boss monster, again hope hand trapped.
Normal Summon Cyberdark Chimera, activate effect to send 1 spell/trap from hand for Powerbond, hope you don't get hand trapped.
Play Powerbond special summon Cyberdarkness Dragon using 5 materials.
Use Cyberdarkness Dragon effect to attach Cyber End which you sent with Cyberdark Horizon to GY.
Special summon the Cyberdarkness End Dragon.
Get hit by Solemn Judgement.
Take a deeeeeeeeeep breathe of Copium then try again lmao

Pretty much this, then you fall back on either Cyberload fusion or overload fusion for Rampage Dragon once your Cyberdark End gets either Kaiju'd or negated and run over

[QweAndAHalf]

Well that sounds like a pretty janky mess, but MAN do I love me a healthy amount of jank!

Guess Cyberdark End Dragon is gonna be more for the lols than I’d hoped, but I’ve still got the usual Cyber Dragons for any competitive (well, at least rouge) stuff!

[Otto]

Originally posted by QweAndAHalf:

Well that sounds like a pretty janky mess, but MAN do I love me a healthy amount of jank!

Guess Cyberdark End Dragon is gonna be more for the lols than I’d hoped, but I’ve still got the usual Cyber Dragons for any competitive (well, at least rouge) stuff!

Pretty much, yeah. Structure deck does give most of the stuff needed for pure CyDras tho, so you get some good stuff out of it.

[his1roguenation]

Climbing (/struggling) Plat with End Dragon right now, it's the coolest dragon ever. Imagine using 5 materials rather than chimera GY power bond 10k summon, which you can potentially pull off in your first turn. Gold was legit fun with it.

Of course no CDED deck will ever be as good as a stable cyber dragon deck, or even a cyberdark hybrid revolving around power bonding rampage dragon, but it's 5 times more fun. Cyberdark also pretty much cockblocks you from using e.g. lightning storm and doesn't leave much room for staples.

Current opponents, like literally everyone in gold and some in low plat, don't really know how to deal with it, therefore they misplay hand traps (and cyberdark throws lots of choices at them) and run out of steam faster than you do. My advice, therefore, throw out all hand traps, go full 6+ searches per turn and hope your opponent doesn't know which of your cards to banish.
In a few days you can go back to rampage.
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Cyber dragon core lets you search out both horizon (which is an outstandingly good card, and it needs light CDs) and realm. I have no idea how anyone could suggest playing cyberdark without at least a few CDs. Core, Horizon, Heart, etc. synergize.
What the ♥♥♥♥ do you use, 3x Dragon Buster, 3x attachment wyvern? 11 hand traps because you gonna be prepared for everything?
If you're only willing to play this archetype that way, then yeah, might as well play a similar deck but 5 tiers higher instead.

[Coyote796]

Biggest issues with Cyberdarks are-
- Loses way too easily to hand traps, unlike most decks in the META that have follow ups.
- Takes too much resources to bring out a boss monster.
- Cyberdark Realm is a continuous spell so any spell speed 2 spell destruction can "negate" it since it has to be on the field to resolve even the search.
- It doesn't know what it wants to be. It hasn't got enough negates to be a turn one deck but it also doesn't really do well as a turn 2 deck either.
- The boss monster suffers from low attack, 5k is not much nowadays, can be easily Kaijud (since you wont be OTK your opponent) and cannot attack AT ALL without an Equip.

And finally the pi** de resistance of pi** takes
- Cyberdark Chimera not being an On Summon effect... The card was printed in 2021, and it needs to activate its effect on the field AFTER it is summoned. Talk about Trap bait, but imagine going through your WHOOOOLE combo just for the main piece of the puzzle to be a manually activated effect that loses not just hand traps but literally any spell speed 2 destruction....

Realistically the only way to play a Cyberdark Deck is to cut the boss monster down to 1 and just rely on the Cuberdarkness Dragon 6k body + negate, that's probably the best they can do and that only cuts 1 step out of the combo...

[N'Zoth]

I was considering it but based on this thread you need called by the graves and pray you don’t get negated at any point. What’s the brick point for the deck that just stops you?

[his1roguenation]

“and cannot attack AT ALL without an Equip.“

Read the card and/or the rules, it can attack without an equip

And again, If you summon it with 5k atk, you’re doing it wrongly

[MancakeBR]

Just remember, you should be running each of the OG Cyberdarks strictly for names (as a 1 of at most). Chimera and Realm care about names.

That being said, the primary card you're adding to your hand from Realm will be Claw if you don't open with it as canon cannot search it.

But if your opponent is playing Ash on anything except for Chimera, they fail.

[Coyote796]

Originally posted by his1roguenation:

“and cannot attack AT ALL without an Equip.“

Read the card and/or the rules, it can attack without an equip

And again, If you summon it with 5k atk, you’re doing it wrongly

You're right it can attack without materials, even tested it so I was wrong there. I thought this because -
"This card can attack a number of times each Battle Phase, up to the number of Equip Cards equipped to it."
Reading this it says "up to" not "additional". Up to would me that 0 Equips would mean 0 attacks.

Official Ruling-
Q: Can a "Cyberdark End Dragon" attack if it is not equipped with any Equip Cards?
A: It can attack once normally even if not equipped with any Equip Cards. If it is equipped with any Equip Cards, it can attack up to the number of cards equipped to it during each Battle Phase.

Tbh I think this is a case of the card being worded very strangely.

I would like to know how to summon it with more than 5K attack? The most I have gotten consistently is 5.6k with Armored Cybern in GY but Accesscode Talker can still pop it then run over the base 5K attack Darkness End Dragon.

Edit- I might have found how to make it 10K, but even that isn't really OTK since you would have to wipe the board first. Your hand would have to be exactly Dark Ruler No More, Lightning Storm, Extra Foolish Burial, Cyberdark Realm and Cybernetic Horizon.
Even with all those cards you would have to pray your opponent doesn't have backrow because if you cannot OTK you lose to Power Bond dealing 5K when you only have 4K after Extra Foolish Burial.

[MancakeBR]

Originally posted by Coyote796:

Originally posted by his1roguenation:

“and cannot attack AT ALL without an Equip.“

Read the card and/or the rules, it can attack without an equip

And again, If you summon it with 5k atk, you’re doing it wrongly

You're right it can attack without materials, even tested it so I was wrong there. I thought this because -
"This card can attack a number of times each Battle Phase, up to the number of Equip Cards equipped to it."
Reading this it says "up to" not "additional". Up to would me that 0 Equips would mean 0 attacks.

Official Ruling-
Q: Can a "Cyberdark End Dragon" attack if it is not equipped with any Equip Cards?
A: It can attack once normally even if not equipped with any Equip Cards. If it is equipped with any Equip Cards, it can attack up to the number of cards equipped to it during each Battle Phase.

Tbh I think this is a case of the card being worded very strangely.

I would like to know how to summon it with more than 5K attack? The most I have gotten consistently is 5.6k with Armored Cybern in GY but Accesscode Talker can still pop it then run over the base 5K attack Darkness End Dragon.

Edit- I might have found how to make it 10K, but even that isn't really OTK since you would have to wipe the board first. Your hand would have to be exactly Dark Ruler No More, Lightning Storm, Extra Foolish Burial, Cyberdark Realm and Cybernetic Horizon.
Even with all those cards you would have to pray your opponent doesn't have backrow because if you cannot OTK you lose to Power Bond dealing 5K when you only have 4K after Extra Foolish Burial.

Overload Fusion into the Cyberdarkness Dragon, then you'd have to Power Bond into the Cyberdark End Dragon.

OR Limiter Removal.

[his1roguenation]

Originally posted by Coyote796:

Edit- I might have found how to make it 10K, but even that isn't really OTK since you would have to wipe the board first. Your hand would have to be exactly Dark Ruler No More, Lightning Storm, Extra Foolish Burial, Cyberdark Realm and Cybernetic Horizon.
Even with all those cards you would have to pray your opponent doesn't have backrow because if you cannot OTK you lose to Power Bond dealing 5K when you only have 4K after Extra Foolish Burial.

Or you just power bond and attack into an attack mode monster with 2k atk or 4.1k with sieger - then you need none of those cards (extra-foolish is of course still very helpful), as if cyber dragons are anyhow consistent anyway. Most of the time enemies have monsters in attack mode, most of the time they don't have any back row and most of the time they do not have a full play prevention field -> most of the time you win (when bringing out end dragon). Cyberdark is also pretty good at playing around hand traps, especially if you go for rampage rather than end dragon.
If you want to be able to deal with any board at any time and rather concede than even play your second turn, you shouldn't play B tier decks, I guess. There are obviously better, "truer" OTK decks.

Originally posted by MancakeBR:

Overload Fusion into the Cyberdarkness Dragon, then you'd have to Power Bond into the Cyberdark End Dragon.

OR Limiter Removal.

Your first paragraph makes no sense. CDED is either cyberdark dragon + cyber end dragon or tributing cyberdarkness dragon (or, under specific conditions, cyberdark dragon) with cyber end equipped.

Just Power Bond the 2 fusion monsters in your GY using chimera's effect.

[Phrasmotic]

Originally posted by QweAndAHalf:

Well that sounds like a pretty janky mess, but MAN do I love me a healthy amount of jank!

Guess Cyberdark End Dragon is gonna be more for the lols than I’d hoped, but I’ve still got the usual Cyber Dragons for any competitive (well, at least rouge) stuff!

It's incredibly jank, but not many people are running Kaijus so if you manage to get it out it's pretty much GG. Not many things can deal with a 5k atk beatstick unaffected by everything - even Super Poly doesn't work.

Big enough threat that you should run Kaijus in the event? Eh...Probably not.

[Merilirem]

Thats the neat thing, ya don't!

Seriously i remember Cyberdarks when they first came out. They just don't work as an archetype.