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Pendragon May 7, 2022 @ 6:44pm
Assault Wyvern - Bottomless trap hole
In a game, my opponent used assault wyverns effect to tribute itself and summon a blue eyes but my bottomless trap hole didn’t trigger. There was literally no otuer cards or effects in play to avoid it from happening, what do i miss?
Originally posted by 【𝙎𝙥𝙚𝙠】🧉:
Originally posted by Pendragon:
Now I do have two new questions, Firstly, I didn't get why this cannot be activated in the damage step? Assault Wyvern's card text says simply 'tribute this and special summon that'. After all that is a special summon, what makes it different tho?

Secondly, Why is this counts as happening in the damage step? Isn't the damage step ended after he attacking my monster and killing it? So, isn't this supposed to happen in battle step but not the damage step?

1) cards can't be activated in the damage step with a few exceptions, like negations, ATK/DEF modifiers and attacking-related cards.

2) Damage Step ends after the destroyed monster is send to the graveyard and all the possible effects were activated
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EXO May 7, 2022 @ 6:51pm 
Damage Step strikes again:
https://db.ygorganization.com/card#5400
-You cannot activate this during the Damage Step.
Otto May 7, 2022 @ 6:54pm 
Since Assault Wyvern activates during the damage step (destroys a monster, then tributes itself to summon Blue-Eyes; similar in effect to cards like Mother Grizzly) you will not be able to respond to the summon of Blue-Eyes with Bottomless Trap Hole
Last edited by Otto; May 7, 2022 @ 7:05pm
Damage step claims another victim
ChaosBahamut May 7, 2022 @ 9:03pm 
For reference (assuming I'm remembering correctly), the ONLY cards/effects that can be activated during the Damage Step are:

ATK/DEF altering Quick-Play/Trap effects for M/T cards and Quick Effects for monsters

Counter Traps

Effects that specifically state they can be activated in the damage step (if the effect says "damage calculation" that's fine as well, as that's within the damage step)
Last edited by ChaosBahamut; May 7, 2022 @ 9:09pm
Pendragon May 8, 2022 @ 7:52am 
Originally posted by ChaosBahamut:
For reference (assuming I'm remembering correctly), the ONLY cards/effects that can be activated during the Damage Step are:

ATK/DEF altering Quick-Play/Trap effects for M/T cards and Quick Effects for monsters

Counter Traps

Effects that specifically state they can be activated in the damage step (if the effect says "damage calculation" that's fine as well, as that's within the damage step)



Originally posted by Otto:
Since Assault Wyvern activates during the damage step (destroys a monster, then tributes itself to summon Blue-Eyes; similar in effect to cards like Mother Grizzly) you will not be able to respond to the summon of Blue-Eyes with Bottomless Trap Hole



Originally posted by EXO:
Damage Step strikes again:
https://db.ygorganization.com/card#5400
-You cannot activate this during the Damage Step.

Now I do have two new questions, Firstly, I didn't get why this cannot be activated in the damage step? Assault Wyvern's card text says simply 'tribute this and special summon that'. After all that is a special summon, what makes it different tho?

Secondly, Why is this counts as happening in the damage step? Isn't the damage step ended after he attacking my monster and killing it? So, isn't this supposed to happen in battle step but not the damage step?
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Originally posted by Pendragon:
Now I do have two new questions, Firstly, I didn't get why this cannot be activated in the damage step? Assault Wyvern's card text says simply 'tribute this and special summon that'. After all that is a special summon, what makes it different tho?

Secondly, Why is this counts as happening in the damage step? Isn't the damage step ended after he attacking my monster and killing it? So, isn't this supposed to happen in battle step but not the damage step?

1) cards can't be activated in the damage step with a few exceptions, like negations, ATK/DEF modifiers and attacking-related cards.

2) Damage Step ends after the destroyed monster is send to the graveyard and all the possible effects were activated
Otto May 8, 2022 @ 8:50am 
Originally posted by Pendragon:
Now I do have two new questions, Firstly, I didn't get why this cannot be activated in the damage step? Assault Wyvern's card text says simply 'tribute this and special summon that'. After all that is a special summon, what makes it different tho?

Secondly, Why is this counts as happening in the damage step? Isn't the damage step ended after he attacking my monster and killing it? So, isn't this supposed to happen in battle step but not the damage step?

In line with Spek's reply, Bottomless does not negate an effect, change atk/def values directly or have a clause stating that it can activate during damage step.

As to why this happens in damage step, Assault Wyvern's effect will activate and resolve during the end of Damage Step, during which the monster it battled will be sent to the GY.

Per Konami's official breakdown of the ever-complex damage step, under "Key Phrases that can Happen Now" for End of the Damage Step:
"effects that activate 'when a monster destroys an opponent's monster by battle and sends it to the Graveyard'"

The damage step breakdown in question:
https://img.yugioh-card.com/oc/gameplay/damage.html
Last edited by Otto; May 8, 2022 @ 8:51am
Pendragon May 8, 2022 @ 2:21pm 
Thanks for all your explanatory answers guys, now I get it especially after checking that 'Damage Step Rules' on the yugioh website. But damn, I don't really understand why KONAMI made some things like this that complex, couldn't it be simpler?
Originally posted by Pendragon:
Thanks for all your explanatory answers guys, now I get it especially after checking that 'Damage Step Rules' on the yugioh website. But damn, I don't really understand why KONAMI made some things like this that complex, couldn't it be simpler?

Maybe this Wiki article about Damage Step[yugipedia.com] can help you. It has the effects and cards you can activate. Michizure is a drunk move by konami, that was pretty broken in Speed Duel tournaments lol
Last edited by 【𝙎𝙥𝙚𝙠】🧉; May 8, 2022 @ 3:03pm
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