WHY no ban list and WHY no formats.

[Anna Sergal]

i really don't understand this move. it leads to nothing but the WORST kind of decks. people are always going to push the limit with their decks i get this. but its the wild west of decks building and its FTK after FTK after FTK. basically a coin flip to see who wins.

lets also add the spicing to that cake that you really don't lose ranks for losing, so they are just doing it...because that's whats ~fun~ to them. you...could try to play something that's not the top meta meta meta meta meta deck with 1000 negates that basically says "of you didn't go first, well you don't get to play the game"

THE WORST part being that its the kind of decks that are meant to take their time, not just "kill you next game please", but lets draw it out asssssss looooonnnngg asssss iiiii caaaaaannnn....then kill you, not that they are not playing, they just keep doing longer and longer combos to get to a "i win" point.

i understand the meta of yugioh at least somewhat. but you people cant tell me you are really having fun playing solitaire for 5 min at a time, whats the point in even playing the damn game if you don't want an opponent to play with?

this game needs formats and/or ban list's BAD....this is not fun unless you play with a group and agree on simple rules. like don't build a deck to kill someone on the 1st, 2nd, turn...

[Dinonoms]

I am a super noob at this game but if you click on the little button "sub menus" in the upper right corner on the main menu a drop down menu opens where you can check the current ban list. Also from my knowledge the game uses a modified version of the ocg ban list.

[Aragon]

It already has a ban list. It's the OCG list from April 2021.

Also, yeah. It would probably seem really simple to you if you don't understand it, but for seasoned competitive players, there's many levels of complexity to deckbuilding and interaction that you just don't have access to.

If your opponents are playing FTKs, then invest in interaction. Stop their combo from going off with handtraps and the like. The current format gives you access to some of the most powerful handtraps in the game. Maxx C, Nibiru, Ash, Dimensional Shifter. if their combo is resolving, it's because you're letting them.

[Anna Sergal]

Originally posted by HAZARD!:

It already has a ban list. It's the OCG list from April 2021.

Also, yeah. It would probably seem really simple to you if you don't understand it, but for seasoned competitive players, there's many levels of complexity to deckbuilding and interaction that you just don't have access to.

If your opponents are playing FTKs, then invest in interaction. Stop their combo from going off with handtraps and the like. The current format gives you access to some of the most powerful handtraps in the game. Maxx C, Nibiru, Ash, Dimensional Shifter. if their combo is resolving, it's because you're letting them.

that's missing my point. most people like myself don't want to take out 30 cards from their list just to fit a "format" that isnt real and no..if all your opponent has to do is go first and stroke himself for 5 min while he impresses no one filling a board i could break though, but everything is a negate now...and look you have no hand either. or or or or...run the same list of 15-30 cards EVERYONE ELSE IS RUNNING TAKING ANY FUN OUT OF BUILDING A DECK.

[Anna Sergal]

thats a game that needs more banlist or more formats

[Aragon]

Originally posted by Anna Sergal:

Originally posted by HAZARD!:

It already has a ban list. It's the OCG list from April 2021.

Also, yeah. It would probably seem really simple to you if you don't understand it, but for seasoned competitive players, there's many levels of complexity to deckbuilding and interaction that you just don't have access to.

If your opponents are playing FTKs, then invest in interaction. Stop their combo from going off with handtraps and the like. The current format gives you access to some of the most powerful handtraps in the game. Maxx C, Nibiru, Ash, Dimensional Shifter. if their combo is resolving, it's because you're letting them.

that's missing my point. most people like myself don't want to take out 30 cards from their list just to fit a "format" that isnt real and no..if all your opponent has to do is go first and stroke himself for 5 min while he impresses no one filling a board i could break though, but everything is a negate now...and look you have no hand either. or or or or...run the same list of 15-30 cards EVERYONE ELSE IS RUNNING TAKING ANY FUN OUT OF BUILDING A DECK.

Well I'm sorry but that's just how Yu-Gi-Oh is. At no point in time could you ever build a deck without any awnsers to meta threats and expect to win. Even in the first few sets of the game back in the 2000s, if you couldn't deal with power cards, you were losing.

Even a carefully crafted banlist would have the best decks among them and people would flock to them. If what you're looking for is variety, then this format right now has tons of decks that are viable to top tournaments with various strategies and routes. You just can't expect to win with something that either isn't meta, or doesn't have cards to deal with meta. That's how the game works, you research, you adapt, and you win.

The only way to experience something like what you want is to not play in a competitive environment. Play with your friends, join roleplay groups or something.

[wizard master結城晶子リ]

Originally posted by Anna Sergal:

i really don't understand this move. it leads to nothing but the WORST kind of decks. people are always going to push the limit with their decks i get this. but its the wild west of decks building and its FTK after FTK after FTK. basically a coin flip to see who wins.

lets also add the spicing to that cake that you really don't lose ranks for losing, so they are just doing it...because that's whats ~fun~ to them. you...could try to play something that's not the top meta meta meta meta meta deck with 1000 negates that basically says "of you didn't go first, well you don't get to play the game"

THE WORST part being that its the kind of decks that are meant to take their time, not just "kill you next game please", but lets draw it out asssssss looooonnnngg asssss iiiii caaaaaannnn....then kill you, not that they are not playing, they just keep doing longer and longer combos to get to a "i win" point.

i understand the meta of yugioh at least somewhat. but you people cant tell me you are really having fun playing solitaire for 5 min at a time, whats the point in even playing the damn game if you don't want an opponent to play with?

this game needs formats and/or ban list's BAD....this is not fun unless you play with a group and agree on simple rules. like don't build a deck to kill someone on the 1st, 2nd, turn...

i can see your not used to ocg ban list but maybe check it first causei tellu if they wernt useing ocg bann listid be running red eyes deckwith dragoon in it

[soywife]

Originally posted by Anna Sergal:

most people like myself don't want to take out 30 cards from their list just to fit a "format" that isnt real

...how is the format they play in japan (where the game is made) not real? are you a troll rofl

[Anna Sergal]

Originally posted by HAZARD!:

Originally posted by Anna Sergal:

that's missing my point. most people like myself don't want to take out 30 cards from their list just to fit a "format" that isnt real and no..if all your opponent has to do is go first and stroke himself for 5 min while he impresses no one filling a board i could break though, but everything is a negate now...and look you have no hand either. or or or or...run the same list of 15-30 cards EVERYONE ELSE IS RUNNING TAKING ANY FUN OUT OF BUILDING A DECK.

Well I'm sorry but that's just how Yu-Gi-Oh is. At no point in time could you ever build a deck without any awnsers to meta threats and expect to win. Even in the first few sets of the game back in the 2000s, if you couldn't deal with power cards, you were losing.

Even a carefully crafted banlist would have the best decks among them and people would flock to them. If what you're looking for is variety, then this format right now has tons of decks that are viable to top tournaments with various strategies and routes. You just can't expect to win with something that either isn't meta, or doesn't have cards to deal with meta. That's how the game works, you research, you adapt, and you win.

The only way to experience something like what you want is to not play in a competitive environment. Play with your friends, join roleplay groups or something.

again missing the point. but thanks for the elitism check. im asking and damn confussed why their isnt more formats for people like myself....and i know theirs a demand for it cause im not the only one asking for it. it wouldnt hurt the game and all you FTK solitare lovers can go play in your own corner. the game has 6000+ cards but hey...lets only use this small group and a bunch of the EXACT same deck with a dusting of new flavor

[soywife]

yugioh has always been like this. if you don't use meta decks or decks that can effectively counter them you are not going to have a chance. if you want to play the game for fun without meta decks then you and your opponent need to choose the power of your decks accordingly for a fair duel. which isn't going to happen playing online with random people, that's just how the game works.

i'm confused what you even mean by more formats. do you want them to put goat format in the game or something? old master rules? if you just mean tcg banlist then there's already a banlist option in room settings with only one option right now, they will probably add more banlist options later.

the only matchmaking right now is ranked anyway, which obviously is just going to use the main format the game is played at competitively. there's no way if they were to add extra formats that they would do it before casual matchmaking

[Anna Sergal]

Originally posted by frame perfect ♥♥♥ out of shield:

yugioh has always been like this. if you don't use meta decks or decks that can effectively counter them you are not going to have a chance. if you want to play the game for fun without meta decks then you and your opponent need to choose the power of your decks accordingly for a fair duel. which isn't going to happen playing online with random people, that's just how the game works.

i'm confused what you even mean by more formats. do you want them to put goat format in the game or something? old master rules? if you just mean tcg banlist then there's already a banlist option in room settings with only one option right now, they will probably add more banlist options later.

the only matchmaking right now is ranked anyway, which obviously is just going to use the main format the game is played at competitively. there's no way if they were to add extra formats that they would do it before casual matchmaking

you answered your own question. casual. goat. 5d's. the ability to pick annnny banlist from history and build decks to that...you know..like some other TRUE f2p game have.

[Aragon]

Originally posted by Anna Sergal:

Originally posted by HAZARD!:

Well I'm sorry but that's just how Yu-Gi-Oh is. At no point in time could you ever build a deck without any awnsers to meta threats and expect to win. Even in the first few sets of the game back in the 2000s, if you couldn't deal with power cards, you were losing.

Even a carefully crafted banlist would have the best decks among them and people would flock to them. If what you're looking for is variety, then this format right now has tons of decks that are viable to top tournaments with various strategies and routes. You just can't expect to win with something that either isn't meta, or doesn't have cards to deal with meta. That's how the game works, you research, you adapt, and you win.

The only way to experience something like what you want is to not play in a competitive environment. Play with your friends, join roleplay groups or something.

again missing the point. but thanks for the elitism check. im asking and damn confussed why their isnt more formats for people like myself....and i know theirs a demand for it cause im not the only one asking for it. it wouldnt hurt the game and all you FTK solitare lovers can go play in your own corner. the game has 6000+ cards but hey...lets only use this small group and a bunch of the EXACT same deck with a dusting of new flavor

Again, it's impossible to regulate a format like that for the public. The only way to do that is to have a group of people carefully checking if a deck isn't going "too overboard" or something, because if you set a number of rules, people will make sure to find a way to exploit them, and figure out what works best. "Meta" has always existed, and will always exist.

Don't believe me? Konami announced a new format about a month back, actually. "Deck Masters". And within 2 days of the announcement, the Yu-Gi-Oh! community united to find ways to completely break it in half, ensuring the entire competition consists of unbeatable floodgates.

Is Deck Masters fun TO PLAY? God no. It is absolutely awful, but the community had a hearty laugh with it anyways, the fun part was finding a way to abuse the rules and break it. You want a well designed card game? There are many out there. Magic the Gathering, the new DIgimon TCG, etc... Yu-Gi-Oh! has been stumbling on its own failures since its inception, but it keeps going, because people find it engaging.

If you want to play your own way, you're welcome to organize something with friends or groups and the like, but in an uncontrolled environment, never expect to escape meta. It will always be there.

[soywife]

Originally posted by Anna Sergal:

you answered your own question. casual. goat. 5d's. the ability to pick annnny banlist from history and build decks to that...you know..like some other TRUE f2p game have.

i wouldn't hold your breath, this is already by leaps and bounds the best and most feature-rich yugioh sim konami has officially put out. expecting it to give you the freedom that ygopro gives you with all of the cloud data storage stuff and konami's insistence on new formats is very wishful thinking.

[Anna Sergal]

Originally posted by HAZARD!:

Originally posted by Anna Sergal:

again missing the point. but thanks for the elitism check. im asking and damn confussed why their isnt more formats for people like myself....and i know theirs a demand for it cause im not the only one asking for it. it wouldnt hurt the game and all you FTK solitare lovers can go play in your own corner. the game has 6000+ cards but hey...lets only use this small group and a bunch of the EXACT same deck with a dusting of new flavor

Again, it's impossible to regulate a format like that for the public. The only way to do that is to have a group of people carefully checking if a deck isn't going "too overboard" or something, because if you set a number of rules, people will make sure to find a way to exploit them, and figure out what works best. "Meta" has always existed, and will always exist.

Don't believe me? Konami announced a new format about a month back, actually. "Deck Masters". And within 2 days of the announcement, the Yu-Gi-Oh! community united to find ways to completely break it in half, ensuring the entire competition consists of unbeatable floodgates.

Is Deck Masters fun TO PLAY? God no. It is absolutely awful, but the community had a hearty laugh with it anyways, the fun part was finding a way to abuse the rules and break it. You want a well designed card game? There are many out there. Magic the Gathering, the new DIgimon TCG, etc... Yu-Gi-Oh! has been stumbling on its own failures since its inception, but it keeps going, because people find it engaging.

If you want to play your own way, you're welcome to organize something with friends or groups and the like, but in an uncontrolled environment, never expect to escape meta. It will always be there.

it will always be their because KONAMI wont support other formats. no its not impossible, funny how you bring up magic(before wizards did just the same thing konami has always been doing) their formats did have balance, you could build crasy ideas in most formats and could still win (not now with the BS power push) they know how the game works better then anyone, they made the game like this. they know just what cards to put where. acting like that's impossible is laughable. no, it just costs them more money...cause f konami

[Aragon]

Originally posted by Anna Sergal:

Originally posted by HAZARD!:

Again, it's impossible to regulate a format like that for the public. The only way to do that is to have a group of people carefully checking if a deck isn't going "too overboard" or something, because if you set a number of rules, people will make sure to find a way to exploit them, and figure out what works best. "Meta" has always existed, and will always exist.

Don't believe me? Konami announced a new format about a month back, actually. "Deck Masters". And within 2 days of the announcement, the Yu-Gi-Oh! community united to find ways to completely break it in half, ensuring the entire competition consists of unbeatable floodgates.

Is Deck Masters fun TO PLAY? God no. It is absolutely awful, but the community had a hearty laugh with it anyways, the fun part was finding a way to abuse the rules and break it. You want a well designed card game? There are many out there. Magic the Gathering, the new DIgimon TCG, etc... Yu-Gi-Oh! has been stumbling on its own failures since its inception, but it keeps going, because people find it engaging.

If you want to play your own way, you're welcome to organize something with friends or groups and the like, but in an uncontrolled environment, never expect to escape meta. It will always be there.

it will always be their because KONAMI wont support other formats. no its not impossible, funny how you bring up magic(before wizards did just the same thing konami has always been doing) their formats did have balance, you could build crasy ideas in most formats and could still win (not now with the BS power push) they know how the game works better then anyone, they made the game like this. they know just what cards to put where. acting like that's impossible is laughable. no, it just costs them more money...cause f konami

It's impossible, they'd have to make an entirely different game for that to happen. Actually, they have. Speed Duels, Rush Duels, and I bet you'd complain if you were to play those, too.

So yeah, just play a different game. See how that works out. If you know Konami won't do whatever you're asking of them, and you won't adapt or find your own way to play, then just quit. It's that simple, just uninstall and move on with your life.

[Anna Sergal]

no, cause thats how they win stupid. you need to stand up and voice what you can. YOU CHOSE TO CLICK THIS POST AND REPLY knowing full well i wasn't talking to you. if anything just an angry post to the wind, that "maybe" (super unlikely) a konami employee will see, and maybe use as advice to better the game.