Thoughts on modern yugioh.(Not a complaint thread)

[Merilirem]

I think what changed the most since i used to play is how much searching you do nowdays. Like i have been catching back up and analyzing whats actually different and it seems like all the consistency and OTK stuff mainly comes from just how much searching people do compared to the past.

New decks seem commonly build around the idea that you can just use cards to pull what you want from your deck and do that 1 big play you know you can do, or some derivative of it.

Oldschool Yugioh from my childhood was more about using what you have in hand with your only "searches" being draw cards like the nefarious charity and pot. Those kinds of draws did make a big difference but it was still somewhat random in the end as to what part of your deck you were going to play with. It wouldn't be strange at all to simply not draw an important card like a "boss monster" or something which is why you might have been tempted to run too many just so you get to see something.

Anyway my basic thought on the matter is that yugioh owes its current state to its search cards. I mean what strategies can you even do in modern yugioh without a search?

To be clear this isn't to say anything bad about consistency or searching. I am just thinking about the differences between having your deck built to function with a shuffled group of 15-25 cards you actually get to use and being able to essentially pick out your key cards so you can do the thing your deck does every game. Unless your running a Blue Eyes Deck of course. That dumb thing is cursed. No amount of searching is helping you there.

[Aldain]

Supreme Chaos님이 먼저 게시:

redspade000님이 먼저 게시:

Powercreep is insane. Komoney bans cards but then makes new cards that remixes the same old broken mechanics, effectively making the ban list pointless. If that's how the game goes, then players might as well have access to all the cards.

Release the Dragon Rulers!!!

Would they still be broken by today's standards I wonder...

I mean with Drytron Eva Heralds and Tri-Zoo running around, would they even have a foot in the door anymore?

[Papa Shekels]

Aldain님이 먼저 게시:

Would they still be broken by today's standards I wonder...

I mean with Drytron Eva Heralds and Tri-Zoo running around, would they even have a foot in the door anymore?

I would say yes just because dragon link was still a tournament deck not that long ago. Imagine if they also got some of the strongest dragon support in history on top of that. Not to mention that there are some pretty big decks here that could definitely use dragon rulers...imagine the earth one combined with block dragon. Not to mention how much you could use them for link climbing and combo extending nowadays since they just put whatever you want exactly where you want it: from your deck to your hand or grave, from your hand to the grave or field, from grave to field

[Aldain]

Papa Shekels님이 먼저 게시:

Aldain님이 먼저 게시:

Would they still be broken by today's standards I wonder...

I mean with Drytron Eva Heralds and Tri-Zoo running around, would they even have a foot in the door anymore?

I would say yes just because dragon link was still a tournament deck not that long ago. Imagine if they also got some of the strongest dragon support in history on top of that. Not to mention that there are some pretty big decks here that could definitely use dragon rulers...imagine the earth one combined with block dragon. Not to mention how much you could use them for link climbing and combo extending nowadays since they just put whatever you want exactly where you want it: from your deck to your hand or grave, from your hand to the grave or field, from grave to field

Fair enough, seriously though that era of YGO was nuts in terms of "Who thought this was a good idea?!" card design.

[minipok2011]

way too many negates. while i easely achieve platinum and been playing for years im getting tired of turn 1 that last 10 min just to place 5 monsters that can omni negate and the duel turn into a puzzle rather than a card game . in fact its getting so bad that now we have raigeki at 3 .... imagine that , the monster spam is SOOOO over the top that they chose to put a card that was banned for years at 3

[Merilirem]

Aldain님이 먼저 게시:

Papa Shekels님이 먼저 게시:

I would say yes just because dragon link was still a tournament deck not that long ago. Imagine if they also got some of the strongest dragon support in history on top of that. Not to mention that there are some pretty big decks here that could definitely use dragon rulers...imagine the earth one combined with block dragon. Not to mention how much you could use them for link climbing and combo extending nowadays since they just put whatever you want exactly where you want it: from your deck to your hand or grave, from your hand to the grave or field, from grave to field

Fair enough, seriously though that era of YGO was nuts in terms of "Who thought this was a good idea?!" card design.

Sounds like it was a great idea then. Ya gotta have some crazy or it gets boring.

[Aldain]

Merilirem님이 먼저 게시:

Aldain님이 먼저 게시:

Fair enough, seriously though that era of YGO was nuts in terms of "Who thought this was a good idea?!" card design.

Sounds like it was a great idea then. Ya gotta have some crazy or it gets boring.

I believe you might need a bit more distinction between "interesting" and "JESUS CHRIST WHY DID YOU MAKE DRAGON RULERS KONAMI!?".

Seriously, both Zoodiacs and Dragon Rulers showed up around that time and we're STILL feeling the effects of Zoodiacs all these years later.

Interesting is Drytrons ritual summoning via attack instead of level, insane is them running Heralds better than they ever have worked in a deck solely designed around using the Heralds.

Basically Konami has no hind or foresight, that's how we got pre-errata Firewall Dragon.

[Papa Shekels]

Aldain님이 먼저 게시:

Basically Konami has no hind or foresight, that's how we got pre-errata Firewall Dragon.

Eh, I think that's unfair to say. Like yes, it's negligent of them to not think about hard once per turns or infinite loops at a time when it is already an established problem, but if they really didn't care things could have been so much worse in half the time. The fact that they end up banning those cards or putting erratas on things shows that there is at least effort to maintain the balance.

They need to simultaneously create things that are new and interesting enough to sell on the cover of boxes/in anime characters, powerful enough to be worth buying from people who already keep up with the modern game, but then also balance it so that it can't break anything while interacting with the ever-increasing pool of already existing cards. That's why they ban things like yata-garasu that have the *potential* to ruin things and would require completely reshaping any future support (in this case for spirit or fiend monsters) around the fact that it exists even if the card could be unbanned right now and see no play. Plus they also have to consider the game itself changing...so many things were pre-emptively banned before links came out because those cards were just not designed with links in mind. And all those broken links from the early days that came out with the old master rule in mind and not the current one that allows stronger extra deck alternatives.

Eh, at the end of the day I'm just here to play a game and fill up a few binders with cool looking cards. I can do both of those pretty well with how things are. I don't play competitively enough to spend $500 on a meta deck the day it gets extra support and then feel bad when it inevitably gets banned. But the people who do have been around long enough to know the risks with buying into broken cards like zoodiacs and know exactly what they're getting into

[dabestgamer]

redspade000님이 먼저 게시:

Powercreep is insane. Komoney bans cards but then makes new cards that remixes the same old broken mechanics, effectively making the ban list pointless. If that's how the game goes, then players might as well have access to all the cards.

The banlist has more purpose than just "get rid of OP cards".

It's part of the push to get people to buy new cards. If Decks A, B, and C are topping and they decide they want to make and push for Decks X, Y, and Z, they don't want A, B, and C to still stay on top. And so they hit those Decks enough so that their new X, Y, and Z can reign supreme and make people (mostly competitive players) drop money for them. Because they won't be as likely to go after X, Y, and Z if A, B, and C are still on top.

At least that's the general idea, so just unbanning all the cards doesn't really serve that purpose.

[Merilirem]

dabestgamer님이 먼저 게시:

redspade000님이 먼저 게시:

Powercreep is insane. Komoney bans cards but then makes new cards that remixes the same old broken mechanics, effectively making the ban list pointless. If that's how the game goes, then players might as well have access to all the cards.

The banlist has more purpose than just "get rid of OP cards".

It's part of the push to get people to buy new cards. If Decks A, B, and C are topping and they decide they want to make and push for Decks X, Y, and Z, they don't want A, B, and C to still stay on top. And so they hit those Decks enough so that their new X, Y, and Z can reign supreme and make people (mostly competitive players) drop money for them. Because they won't be as likely to go after X, Y, and Z if A, B, and C are still on top.

At least that's the general idea, so just unbanning all the cards doesn't really serve that purpose.

Not to mention the combo's. Some cards are on that list for being broken when combined with unbanned cards.

Then there is the legendary POT OF GREED which is just straight OP.