Can Someone Explain Why Exodia FTK Is Allowed to Exist

[R-KNigt]

Am I missing something here? The abundance of spells that draw cards or add cards from deck to hand make it way too easy to consistently draw Exodia on turn one if your deck is designed to do so.

[temper]

Because it's not anywhere near as consistent as you think it is. If you don't open up with magical library, then you pretty much lost the game (unless your opponent bricks or just has a bad deck). Then you also have to deal with disruptions like ash or infinite impermanence that pretty much everyone is running these days.

I don't know why people are complaining about ftk exodia when crooked crook exodia has a higher winrate (and even that version isn't super good).

[R-KNigt]

I lost to it and then built/played it, but sure, it isn't as consistent as I "think" it is. Saying that you can out the deck with a specific 3 of (that doesn't always even stop the deck, just fyi) is not an argument for allowing an FTK to exist. People complain about FTKs more because nobody wants to sit down and wait 6 minutes to not actually play a card and be told "you lose"

[temper]

Originally posted by R-KNigt:

I lost to it, built it, and then built/played it, but sure, it isn't as consistent as I "think" it is. Saying that you can out the deck with a specific 3 of (that doesn't always even stop the deck, just fyi) is not an argument for allowing an FTK to exist. People complain about FTKs more because nobody wants to sit down and wait 6 minutes to not actually play a card and be told "you lose"

It's probably consistent in in bronze or wherever you are because everyone there sucks lol, good luck reaching plat 1 with it. In higher ranks, people will have a board full of multi-negate monsters by turn 1 or 2 and you aren't going to survive if you didn't manage to get the win turn 1 (and the chances of you winning are still not as high as you think even if you open up with library due to the abundance of handtraps).

I'll believe it's consistent when people start winning tournaments with it in the modern day.

[Zelwy]

YUGIOH allow ftk to exist as long as those arent consistent

[R-KNigt]

Originally posted by Le Croix:

YUGIOH allow ftk to exist as long as those arent consistent

It's consistent enough to be unfun.

Originally posted by temper:

Originally posted by R-KNigt:

I lost to it, built it, and then built/played it, but sure, it isn't as consistent as I "think" it is. Saying that you can out the deck with a specific 3 of (that doesn't always even stop the deck, just fyi) is not an argument for allowing an FTK to exist. People complain about FTKs more because nobody wants to sit down and wait 6 minutes to not actually play a card and be told "you lose"

It's probably consistent in in bronze or wherever you are because everyone there sucks lol, good luck reaching plat 1 with it.

I'll believe it's consistent when people start winning tournaments with it in the modern day.

Gold 3, also ad hominem fallacy, please attack the arguments rather than the individuals making them or see yourself out.

[abdera2020]

Once their drawing power is gone they are pretty much just wasting their time.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2755534505

[Grand Captain Speedy Dash]

It's not as good as you may think, I've played a Exodia FTK deck and if you don't get Library in your starting hand you most likely brick or if you get ashed or Effect Veiler then you fail. Exodia FTK is literally a "I win this turn or you win".

If Konami finds it to be a problem they will ban some cards nerf it.

[temper]

Originally posted by R-KNigt:

Originally posted by Le Croix:

YUGIOH allow ftk to exist as long as those arent consistent

It's consistent enough to be unfun.

Originally posted by temper:

It's probably consistent in in bronze or wherever you are because everyone there sucks lol, good luck reaching plat 1 with it.

I'll believe it's consistent when people start winning tournaments with it in the modern day.

Gold 3, also ad hominem fallacy, please attack the arguments rather than the individuals making them or see yourself out.

I already did attack the argument, it simply isn't consistent. It's only "consistent" in lower ranks where people run bad decks. Why isn't everyone at plat 1 running exodia if it's so consistent? Why even bother making these other meta decks? Let me know if you ever reach plat 1 with it. Should be pretty easy since you say it's consistent.

[Silamon]

Originally posted by R-KNigt:

Originally posted by Le Croix:

YUGIOH allow ftk to exist as long as those arent consistent

It's consistent enough to be unfun.

Originally posted by temper:

It's probably consistent in in bronze or wherever you are because everyone there sucks lol, good luck reaching plat 1 with it.

I'll believe it's consistent when people start winning tournaments with it in the modern day.

Gold 3, also ad hominem fallacy, please attack the arguments rather than the individuals making them or see yourself out.

Veiler, imperm, ashe all do wonders to stop Exodia FTK.

[R-KNigt]

Originally posted by abdera2020:

Once their drawing power is gone they are pretty much just wasting their time.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2755534505

The issue with this is that, without interaction, they probably have enough to close the game. And it being a Bo! format, there's no side to counter it, it doesn't need to be insanely consistent like if it were an IRL tourney, just consistent enough to create a NPE.

[R-KNigt]

Originally posted by Silamon:

Originally posted by R-KNigt:

It's consistent enough to be unfun.





Gold 3, also ad hominem fallacy, please attack the arguments rather than the individuals making them or see yourself out.

Veiler, imperm, ashe all do wonders to stop Exodia FTK.

Sure, and then you don't draw them.

I'm not saying the deck is the best thing in the game, and that's an issue basically all yugioh players have, games are supposed to be fun, and actually not being able to even attempt to play a card is not fun.

[Silamon]

Originally posted by R-KNigt:

Originally posted by Silamon:

Veiler, imperm, ashe all do wonders to stop Exodia FTK.

Sure, and then you don't draw them.

I'm not saying the deck is the best thing in the game, and that's an issue basically all yugioh players have, games are supposed to be fun, and actually not being able to even attempt to play a card is not fun.

I mean sometimes you just don't win. It's okay.

[temper]

Originally posted by R-KNigt:

Originally posted by abdera2020:

Once their drawing power is gone they are pretty much just wasting their time.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2755534505

The issue with this is that, without interaction, they probably have enough to close the game. And it being a Bo! format, there's no side to counter it, it doesn't need to be insanely consistent like if it were an IRL tourney, just consistent enough to create a NPE.

You don't need to side anything for ftk exodia. Any main deck in 2022 should be able to deal with it since pretty much everyone is running multiple handtraps.

You're confusing consistency with luck. Just because you got lucky in a few games does not mean the deck is consistent.

https://www.masterduelmeta.com/top-decks/spicy-win-streaks/february-2022/exodia/noctis_4
https://www.masterduelmeta.com/top-decks/platinum-i/february-2022/exodia/saw

These 2 are the only exodia decks that reached plat one, and neither of them are running the ftk version. They run crooked cook and they run final countdown as a backup.

[R-KNigt]

Originally posted by Grand Captain Speedy Dash:

It's not as good as you may think, I've played a Exodia FTK deck and if you don't get Library in your starting hand you most likely brick or if you get ashed or Effect Veiler then you fail. Exodia FTK is literally a "I win this turn or you win".

If Konami finds it to be a problem they will ban some cards nerf it.

Again, the issue isn't the power level of the deck, it's the NPE that is created by it as a concept. If they complete the combo then cool I wasted 6 minutes of my life watching someone play solitaire. If they fail, then I wasted 4 minutes watching someone fail at solitaire. Either way the game is likely uninteractive in the extreme.

[Silamon]

Originally posted by R-KNigt:

Originally posted by Grand Captain Speedy Dash:

It's not as good as you may think, I've played a Exodia FTK deck and if you don't get Library in your starting hand you most likely brick or if you get ashed or Effect Veiler then you fail. Exodia FTK is literally a "I win this turn or you win".

If Konami finds it to be a problem they will ban some cards nerf it.

Again, the issue isn't the power level of the deck, it's the NPE that is created by it as a concept. If they complete the combo then cool I wasted 6 minutes of my life watching someone play solitaire. If they fail, then I wasted 4 minutes watching someone fail at solitaire. Either way the game is likely uninteractive in the extreme.

You can say the same thing about a lot of meta decks, except they don't fail.