Ban List Predictions

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Ok, let's get something out of the way, make your predictions, but keep them realistic. Ash won't get hit no matter how much you hate her, Eldlich won't get hit either, and same applies to the Heralds and Crooked Cook or Exodia.

Now that that's said, my predictions:

- Forbidden:
- - Maxx "C"
- - Eva
- - Imperial Order
- - True King of All Calamities
- - Number 86: Heroic Champion - Rongomyniad
- - Zoodiac Drident
- - Union Carrier
- - Supreme King Dragon Starving Venom
- - Metalfoes Electrumite
- - Simourgh, Bird of Sovereignty
- - Spyral Master Plan
- - Block Dragon

- Limited:
- - Prank Kids Meow-Meow-Mu
- - Fire Formation - Tenki
- - Zoodiac Barrage
- - Miscellaneousaurus

- Semi-Limited:
- - Sky Striker Ace - Kagari
- - Sky Striker Mecha Module - Multirole
- - Toadally Awesome

- Unlimited:
- - Emergency Teleport

[temper]

Originally posted by C.C. アヌビス:

Originally posted by Silamon:

I don't even have it in my pure lyrical deck. Assembled is better IMO.

I just use her in pure because I like her.

She's one of my fav birds and really wish she was better T-T

I feel the same way about a lot of cards, especially when I was playing toons. Blue eyes toon dragon is one of my favorite cards but other toon monsters are way better

[itzRiceKrispies]

Originally posted by Silamon:

Originally posted by ILikeRiceKrispies:

Btw Nightingale is an FTK problem in other decks too and I can't help but notice you r ignoring that. (hmmmm..... I wonder Y)

I've never seen Independent nightingale be used in decks other than Lyricals, Tyrant Neptune cheese, or Supreme king starving venom FTK.
It's not an FTK in lyricals, Tyrant neptune is banned because of it. What decks are you referring to exactly?

There is a Crusadia deck from 2019 she was in, it could Ftk, but wasn't consistent enough to be Meta, which is kind of meh for both of our(more mine tho) arguments actually.

Other then that u r correct I can't find another Archetype. But r we just going to continue banning every card Nightingale interacts with cause of her Ftk shenanigans?(admit it, every time she's brought up it's because of Ftk BS). Heck Supreme King is being used in PM builds cause he is supposed to be 1 of their boss monsters. Nightingale isn't and doesn't even help her own archetype(God it really is like talking about Verte and Dragoon all over again). "Sigh"

[Zelwy]

arent pendulums weak enough that Electrumite can be allowed to exist?

[Silamon]

Originally posted by ILikeRiceKrispies:

Originally posted by Silamon:

I've never seen Independent nightingale be used in decks other than Lyricals, Tyrant Neptune cheese, or Supreme king starving venom FTK.
It's not an FTK in lyricals, Tyrant neptune is banned because of it. What decks are you referring to exactly?

There is a Crusadia deck from 2019 she was in, it could Ftk, but wasn't consistent enough to be Meta, which is kind of meh for both of out arguments actually.

Other then that u r correct I can't find another Archetype. But r we just going to continue banning every card Nightingale interacts with cause of her Ftk shenanigans?(admit it, every time she's brought up it's because of Ftk BS). Heck Supreme King is being used in PM builds cause he is supposed to be 1 of their boss monsters. Nightingale isn't and doesn't even help her own archetype(God it really is like talking about Verte and Dragoon all over again). "Sigh"

The problem is being able to copy the effect, not the effect itself. As long as SK Starving venom exists konami has to plan around that every time they print a card with an effect.

Union carrier was the same way. It was something Konami would always have to keep in mind when printing cards and it was limiting what they could do. When Union carrier was legal in TCG Dragon buster sword was banned, one of the ABC cards was limited, and it was used in multiple decks to cheat out cards that had no business being cheated out so easily.

From the ban list it was hit on in 2021:
"The first ban on the list is one that we could argue should of just been done last list instead of hitting a different card. Union Carrier is a pretty strong Link-2 that can open up some insane possibilities. For one, we had the Dragon Buster lock preventing players from using their Extra Deck. The infamous infinite-negate combo was possible with the Simorgh Link to use Apex Avian and Thunderbird. The most recent use was in Drytron to equip Dawn Knight from Deck to try and have it fall off after using Union Carrier as Ritual Material. Thankfully instead of hitting Dawn Knight, we hit the actual problem card and got rid of Union Carrier before it created more problems. This does hurt ABC, but only slightly in my opinion, this just takes care of a lot of degenerate possibilities that shouldn’t be allowed."

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Originally posted by ILikeRiceKrispies:

Originally posted by conman.mulvania:

Pendulums don't suffer from inconsistencies though.

Uh, Yeah they Do(all decks do, except maybe 6 Sam's). In fact Pendulums have a very hard time reaching a 5 in consistency. My deck Combo build bricks about 1 in 8.

And how consistent do you want your deck to be? Never brick? That's why she was banned in the first place, too much consistency.

Hell, I've to write this in a calendar "my deck is too inconsistent because it bricks 1 in 8 hands".

Originally posted by ILikeRiceKrispies:

Originally posted by Silamon:

I've never seen Independent nightingale be used in decks other than Lyricals, Tyrant Neptune cheese, or Supreme king starving venom FTK.
It's not an FTK in lyricals, Tyrant neptune is banned because of it. What decks are you referring to exactly?

There is a Crusadia deck from 2019 she was in, it could Ftk, but wasn't consistent enough to be Meta, which is kind of meh for both of our(more mine tho) arguments actually.

Other then that u r correct I can't find another Archetype. But r we just going to continue banning every card Nightingale interacts with cause of her Ftk shenanigans?(admit it, every time she's brought up it's because of Ftk BS). Heck Supreme King is being used in PM builds cause he is supposed to be 1 of their boss monsters. Nightingale isn't and doesn't even help her own archetype(God it really is like talking about Verte and Dragoon all over again). "Sigh"

Fact that she's not even that good in her own archetype proves that she's not the problem.

Starving Venom won't copy her if she's banned, he'll copy Electrunite and OTK through 4 interruptions because not. Ban Electrunite as well? He'll find another card to copy and be busted.

You try to talk balance and can't even see that much?

Here's another proof that Independent Nightingale isn't the problem. If Starving Venom was limited, be wouldn't copy her, but he'd still break other cards

[Cope ZEXAL]

master peace to 3

realistically though i imagine they'll just keep the banlist as close to the OCG one as it is now - only hits i expect (if we even get a banlist) are VFD to 0, Drident to 0 and Tenki to something aside from 3 simply because they're all hit on both OCG and TCG banlists. but on the other hand, can't really see a banlist as small as this being it

stuff like toad, ABC and trickstar reincarnation definitely dont belong on the banlist though. not sure why OCG even has them on there anymore

[conman.mulvania]

Originally posted by Silamon:

Originally posted by conman.mulvania:

Because people who haven't played the TCG in years tend to act like they know everything about it.

I don't like it because Mystic Mine is legal and maxx c is banned, simple as that.

Maxx C is banned because more people abused it in the TCG than those who played it in the OCG. Two different lists due to completely different playstyles.

[Silamon]

Originally posted by conman.mulvania:

Originally posted by Silamon:

I don't like it because Mystic Mine is legal and maxx c is banned, simple as that.

Maxx C is banned because more people abused it in the TCG than those who played it in the OCG. Two different lists due to completely different playstyles.

And your point is...... what exactly?
My reason for disliking TCG has not changed whatsoever.

[Silamon]

Originally posted by MZD:

master peace to 3

realistically though i imagine they'll just keep the banlist as close to the OCG one as it is now - only hits i expect (if we even get a banlist) are VFD to 0, Drident to 0 and Tenki to something aside from 3 simply because they're all hit on both OCG and TCG banlists. but on the other hand, can't really see a banlist as small as this being it

stuff like toad, ABC and trickstar reincarnation definitely dont belong on the banlist though. not sure why OCG even has them on there anymore

I would really rather not see Trickstar reincarnate at 3 again...

[Etrusco]

Originally posted by C.C. アヌビス:

Union Carrier simply facilitates many more degenerate plays. For example, you can equip Block Dragon and search 3 (♥♥♥♥, forgot to add that one to the list) or in Drytron's case Eva, or you can equip Orcust Harp Horror, it basically becomes a searcher to any monster than you need in the GY or on the field for OTKs such as Earthbound Immortal Asla Piscu.

Independent Nightingale isn't the problem card, it's Starving Venom (and by extension the Tyrant Neptune) due to the copy effect, as it completely locks future card design.

Imagine a random deck, say Fortune Ladies get a new synchro card that's level 2 and basically let's them draw cards equal to her level every turn. Typically, that's a nice effect that Fortune Ladies can use here and there, well, Starving Venom becomes a draw 20 at 3 copies or draw 8 by itself at 1 copy.

So while yea, for the OTK specifically Independent Nightingale might look like the issue, but the design limit that Starving Venom puts on the game is the much more toxic issue.

Electrunite grants a bit too much advantage and consistency to pendulum decks.

Sadly I have to inform you it appears you are biased here because you are following the TCG ban logic. Correct me if I'm wrong but they do their best (until the deck is like 5+years older if they feel like it) to make sure 2+ year old decks CAN NOT be consistent, they also ban potential annoying cards BUT they will leave it at 3 if they fit the glove for newer decks.

Let's talk examples here, upstart goblin + into the void + card of demise + reasoning all of them are limited at 1 in TCG because: it can make older decks too consistent. Speedroid Terrortop, Servant of Endymion, Danger!?Tsuchinoko?, Miscellaneousaurus (special case) all limited at 1 because: it makes older decks too consistent.

EDIT: I forgot the add Beast O-Lion, but it is not limited, it's just banned in TCG.

Now you explain me why Verde Annaconda and Halqifibrax are at 3 in the TCG if they fit the criteria of being "cards that facilitate degenerate plays".

[itzRiceKrispies]

Originally posted by Silamon:

Originally posted by ILikeRiceKrispies:

There is a Crusadia deck from 2019 she was in, it could Ftk, but wasn't consistent enough to be Meta, which is kind of meh for both of out arguments actually.

Other then that u r correct I can't find another Archetype. But r we just going to continue banning every card Nightingale interacts with cause of her Ftk shenanigans?(admit it, every time she's brought up it's because of Ftk BS). Heck Supreme King is being used in PM builds cause he is supposed to be 1 of their boss monsters. Nightingale isn't and doesn't even help her own archetype(God it really is like talking about Verte and Dragoon all over again). "Sigh"

The problem is being able to copy the effect, not the effect itself. As long as SK Starving venom exists konami has to plan around that every time they print a card with an effect.

Union carrier was the same way. It was something Konami would always have to keep in mind when printing cards and it was limiting what they could do. When Union carrier was legal in TCG Dragon buster sword was banned, one of the ABC cards was limited, and it was used in multiple decks to cheat out cards that had no business being cheated out so easily.

From the ban list it was hit on in 2021:
"The first ban on the list is one that we could argue should of just been done last list instead of hitting a different card. Union Carrier is a pretty strong Link-2 that can open up some insane possibilities. For one, we had the Dragon Buster lock preventing players from using their Extra Deck. The infamous infinite-negate combo was possible with the Simorgh Link to use Apex Avian and Thunderbird. The most recent use was in Drytron to equip Dawn Knight from Deck to try and have it fall off after using Union Carrier as Ritual Material. Thankfully instead of hitting Dawn Knight, we hit the actual problem card and got rid of Union Carrier before it created more problems. This does hurt ABC, but only slightly in my opinion, this just takes care of a lot of degenerate possibilities that shouldn’t be allowed."

Ok I'll be honest with u here. The main reason I'm arguing for SK Venom here is cause he is our only out to Crooked Cook Stall. He gains mandatory piercing after copying. I really don't want to lose him just so Lyrics can keep a monster they can barely use, where as without Nightingale PM's just go right back to being a fairly competent rogue build that just barely manages to stay meta relevant(we're somewhere between Tier 2 and 3).

I don't run Nightingale FTK. I use SK Venom to copy BLS Links(another Boss who finds ways to help other Archetypes, but his own) full effect to help otk turn 3. Just an FYI as to what my deck does. I really don't want to lose one of our better monsters for another Verte who helps every Archetype but their own. Hell Lyrics r supposed to be a Xyz format and since SK venom can't detach materials he can't copy Xyz monster effects. My point being he does have limits and isn't fully broken.

[又要想名字]

Keep dreaming, good for you. LOL.

[Cope ZEXAL]

Originally posted by Silamon:

Originally posted by MZD:

master peace to 3

realistically though i imagine they'll just keep the banlist as close to the OCG one as it is now - only hits i expect (if we even get a banlist) are VFD to 0, Drident to 0 and Tenki to something aside from 3 simply because they're all hit on both OCG and TCG banlists. but on the other hand, can't really see a banlist as small as this being it

stuff like toad, ABC and trickstar reincarnation definitely dont belong on the banlist though. not sure why OCG even has them on there anymore

I would really rather not see Trickstar reincarnate at 3 again...

ehh its annoying but not banlist worthy anymore, especially with lightstage at 1 still. it's been at 3 for a while in the TCG and the deck isn't doing anything nowadays

[itzRiceKrispies]

Originally posted by C.C. アヌビス:

Originally posted by ILikeRiceKrispies:

Uh, Yeah they Do(all decks do, except maybe 6 Sam's). In fact Pendulums have a very hard time reaching a 5 in consistency. My deck Combo build bricks about 1 in 8.

Originally posted by C.C. アヌビス:

And how consistent do you want your deck to be? Never brick? That's why she was banned in the first place, too much consistency.

Hell, I've to write this in a calendar "my deck is too inconsistent because it bricks 1 in 8 hands".

Edited:No Idea where his quote went? I didn't remove it. Anyways....

Have u seen Drytrons/Eldlitch Turn 1 Consistency???? If they don't drop atleast 2 Omni negates they just scoop. My deck on the other hand can ONLY reach 2 Omni negates MAX about 1 in 15. Those being Savage, and Crystal Wing. Maybe u should learn to build a better Deck. Consistency is the most important of the 5. Not Power 5 that Bricks 1 in every 3 hands(a deck that bad HAS NEVER BEEN META IN ANY FORMAT!).

Also just because all 5 cards aren't unplayable doesn't mean "I Bricked". A "Bricked Hand" In Yugioh means u can't make ANY plays. Not that u can make your BEST plays 1 in 8(god I wish my deck was that good).

Originally posted by ILikeRiceKrispies:

There is a Crusadia deck from 2019 she was in, it could Ftk, but wasn't consistent enough to be Meta, which is kind of meh for both of our(more mine tho) arguments actually.

Other then that u r correct I can't find another Archetype. But r we just going to continue banning every card Nightingale interacts with cause of her Ftk shenanigans?(admit it, every time she's brought up it's because of Ftk BS). Heck Supreme King is being used in PM builds cause he is supposed to be 1 of their boss monsters. Nightingale isn't and doesn't even help her own archetype(God it really is like talking about Verte and Dragoon all over again). "Sigh"

Fact that she's not even that good in her own archetype proves that she's not the problem.

Starving Venom won't copy her if she's banned, he'll copy Electrunite and OTK through 4 interruptions because not. Ban Electrunite as well? He'll find another card to copy and be busted.

You try to talk balance and can't even see that much?

Here's another proof that Independent Nightingale isn't the problem. If Starving Venom was limited, be wouldn't copy her, but he'd still break other cards

So what if u summon him and Electrumite in turn 1 and put 2 in the extra deck face-up? I mean really stop and think about what good that play is going to be against, well ANY of the top tier decks right now. Hell the Drytron player who was getting ready to quit cause he had to go 2nd is laughing his a$$ off right now cause u just wasted your only turn to try and get 1 more material on turn 3(which u r NEVER going to see anyway).

Wow 2 protection-less 2800/1800 atk monster out on the field turn 1. What a power play. What good is that going t be when they both get slaughtered and u die turn 2 in this meta?(where most duels end in 2 to 3 turns). U got to be a troll man.(or your still running Glad Beasts, in which case. Respect man).

[Hell Poet Hero]

nice wishlist