divine arsenal aa-zeus - sky thunder

[Sky Striker Ace - Kagari]

Why this card is allowed to be played? It takes the skill away from the game.

[Raven]

Zoie Shales님이 먼저 게시:

Raven님이 먼저 게시:

that's valuing the pack and rarity I guess, so that's on me. It wasn't the ultimate power house though, because there was other alternatives. The difference between that and the others at the time is that had no actual drawback that came with other cards with high attack value and low stars at the time

It was the highest ATK Level 4 monster with no negative effects or costs at the time it released hence why it was highly sought after for use in tournaments, The Original Print Ultra Rare version of it is still considered an extremely valuable collector's item, it's usefulness really went down after Level 4 monsters with 1900 ATK or higher and effect monsters became more common, cannot deny that.

you literally restated what I said

[Silamon]

Raven님이 먼저 게시:

Silamon님이 먼저 게시:

Are you trying to say that using 5 cards to summon chaos max on the first turn with nothing else is a bad play?

How could I have been so wrong!

it is pretty bad, at the very minimum its a gamble. You aren't going to get punished against people that aren't geared for serious play, but you throw out a chaos max all alone and nothing else, odds are you're going to be pissed at the quite likely chance your opponent had an out. People get so salty saying "my opponent always has X when I do Y!" ...3x forbidden droplet, 3x ash, 3x maxx c, 1 raigeki, 1 harpie, you can have 3x skill drain, 3x solemn judgement, 3x solemn strike, people tend to run a kaiju or they have an engine that has tons of outs in their extra deck, including title of the topic, zeus.

Typical engine/combo works around 13-18 cards. The rest of the deck is used to either increase the efficiency or just counters.

You really couldn't read the sarcasm in that?

[Zoie Shales]

Raven님이 먼저 게시:

Zoie Shales님이 먼저 게시:

It was the highest ATK Level 4 monster with no negative effects or costs at the time it released hence why it was highly sought after for use in tournaments, The Original Print Ultra Rare version of it is still considered an extremely valuable collector's item, it's usefulness really went down after Level 4 monsters with 1900 ATK or higher and effect monsters became more common, cannot deny that.

you literally restated what I said

Yes I know, So then we agree.

[Raven]

Silamon님이 먼저 게시:

Raven님이 먼저 게시:

it is pretty bad, at the very minimum its a gamble. You aren't going to get punished against people that aren't geared for serious play, but you throw out a chaos max all alone and nothing else, odds are you're going to be pissed at the quite likely chance your opponent had an out. People get so salty saying "my opponent always has X when I do Y!" ...3x forbidden droplet, 3x ash, 3x maxx c, 1 raigeki, 1 harpie, you can have 3x skill drain, 3x solemn judgement, 3x solemn strike, people tend to run a kaiju or they have an engine that has tons of outs in their extra deck, including title of the topic, zeus.

Typical engine/combo works around 13-18 cards. The rest of the deck is used to either increase the efficiency or just counters.

You really couldn't read the sarcasm in that?

look at the state of this board, I make no assumptions on intelligence in general, and its not like there is any tone to go by.

[Raven]

Zoie Shales님이 먼저 게시:

Raven님이 먼저 게시:

you literally restated what I said

Yes I know, So then we agree.

yes

[Zelwy]

Negan님이 먼저 게시:

Le Croix님이 먼저 게시:

to be fair is quite a strong card I do believe it could become problematic in the future, but anyway, is allowed to exist as a generic field wipe for any deck that can put a XYZ monster, so to help a lot of deck in general.

Why the quick Effect man? or why does it detatch only 2 materials and not all materials?

quick effect is kinda mandatory to be a good effect, I think 2 materials are fine in most cases, is only a problem with certain archetypes that can get a lot of materials *cough* ZOO (I dislike that a alredy good archetype can use a card so strong as zeus so effectively)

[Papa Shekels]

Negan님이 먼저 게시:

Why the quick Effect man? or why does it detatch only 2 materials and not all materials?

Because all materials would be much more abusable than it is now, you could pop out literally any one-use XYZ like castel, silent ark, etc. and then overlay on top of it with zeus. As it is now you need to have at least one starting material first on the monster you're overlaying to even be able to use zeus's effect. The card already kind of sucks by not having any protection whatsoever, so even in the off chance somebody can have it out with 4+ materials and keep it alive for that long, it wouldn't really mean much. And to achieve that, you would pretty much need to play zoodiacs, which already have better options to stack their overlays onto than zeus in most cases. Otherwise you would need to use up a hefty amount of resources from a deck like raidraptors or lyrilusc that would prefer to just keep those materials on their own monsters, OR build specifically around it with bamboozling gossip shadow or something. And if you're already going that far out of your way, you're much better off just using gossip shadow to go into a 5+ material rhongomyniad instead. As the card stands now, zeus is a one-use wipe that can be disrupted by pretty much anything and requires a minimum investment of resources to bring out

[Energon Vlada]

Negan님이 먼저 게시:

Why this card is allowed to be played? It takes the skill away from the game.

Hard to summon + can't summon it on turn 1 unless you have listed XYZ materials, which one uses them actually.

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

Zeus is a reactive card, not a proactive one.

Zeus sends ALL other cards to the GY, meaning your own as well, so the only way to use Zeus proactively would be to just summon it and...pass, because otherwise, if they threaten Zeus with anything, even if they have a few cards on the field, if you have to lose your own cards as well or let them just get away with it and get rid of Zeus, and at that point, an actual boss monster would've been much better.

[zephydel]

Is it good with Sky Strikers?

[C.C. 折オリ枝 の 夫]

zephydel님이 먼저 게시:

Is it good with Sky Strikers?

No, you can't really make it, since Sky Strikers have that big restriction on their spells.

"Best" way to make it would be to steal an XYZ from your opponent with Shark Cannon or Widow Anchor, use that XYZ monster to attack (if you stole it with Widow Anchor) or attack a different XYZ on their field (if you stole the XYZ with Shark Cannon) and then make Zeus on top of that XYZ that you stole, but, as you can see, it's not really worth it because it's so stupidly conditional.

[TormentedSalad]

Really zeus isn't that bad till its zodiacs his effect should really just be once per chain it would fix alot