The real problem with Modern Day Yugi-oh:

[Krystal]

The difference between Yugi-oh and magic the gathering is this: IN MTG: The odds of a OTK deck being played are RARE even in MTG Arena. In Yugi-oh masterduel, OTK decks occur 9 out of ten duels I play. (or every single duel in gold ranks)

People tell me: Play handtraps, negates, ect but in my experince these players running OTKs are FULLY PREPARED FOR THIS, nulfiying any and all chances of stopping their OTK. So telling us "The game isn't broken, you just gotta know your outs, negate this, negate that, ect" is an over blown excuse attempting to avoid the real problem with modern-day Yugi-oh.

That problem being: If you aren't running an OTK deck you don't stand a chance and even then, YOU MUST get first turn or you've already lost. I won't pretend MTG doesn't have its share of problems but at the very least I get to enjoy the game instead of watching a dude stroke his e-peen for 20 moves and end the game in one turn!

[Zelwy]

That is the fun of the game, so much crazy stuff happends in 1-2 turn, in the end is not a problem since that is part of what people likes, control is very strong in this game too and is very playable, also it doesnt matter that you handtrap/negate something what matters is that you negate/handtrap the correct thing (I run 0 handtraps and I am doing quite well in my rank anyway)

[Blank]

I don't stand a chance if I'm not playing an OTK deck? That's news to me, wish someone told me this before I made all my decks, I'd have just made Numerons.

[又要想名字]

I have 0 handtraps and I play floodgate and I have no such problem.

[Rainy days.]

Magic, Pokemon, and I'm sure some other TCG's use a set format, where only cards from the past 3-4 years(or so) are allowed.

In Yugioh, you can use cards from Legend of Blue all the way until the most recent set.
And this causes more problems then it solves

[Vivianite]

oh boy another "MTG VS yugioh" thread
go play MTG then instead of posting hello???

[Bad Distraction Carnifex]

Originally posted by Vivianite:

oh boy another "MTG VS yugioh" thread
go play MTG then instead of posting hello???

On the inverse, nobody is forcing you to read let alone comment. How about we be adults and let people express their opinions?

[Vivianite]

Originally posted by Bad Distraction Carnifex:

Originally posted by Vivianite:

oh boy another "MTG VS yugioh" thread
go play MTG then instead of posting hello???

On the inverse, nobody is forcing you to read let alone comment. How about we be adults and let people express their opinions?

i did, and that's my response, they clearly dislike yugioh, and im saying they shouldn't bother playing it and go play MTG instead.

[Krystal]

Originally posted by Vivianite:

Originally posted by Bad Distraction Carnifex:

On the inverse, nobody is forcing you to read let alone comment. How about we be adults and let people express their opinions?

i did, and that's my response, they clearly dislike yugioh, and im saying they shouldn't bother playing it and go play MTG instead.

lot of assumptions there pal. I actually quite enjoy Yugi-oh, what I DO NOT LIKE is watching my opponent make 20-30+ moves laughing at any handtraps or set traps i may spring knowing they won from the moment their turn started.

I also know that some OTK decks prefer to go "second" instead of first and the reason being is they can smash anything i placed on the field and wipe out my LP on their turn. It's still an OTK, just waits one more turn.

[𝓝𝓲𝓬𝓸𝓵𝓪𝓼]

Originally posted by deathsia:

Originally posted by Vivianite:

i did, and that's my response, they clearly dislike yugioh, and im saying they shouldn't bother playing it and go play MTG instead.

lot of assumptions there pal. I actually quite enjoy Yugi-oh, what I DO NOT LIKE is watching my opponent make 20-30+ moves laughing at any handtraps or set traps i may spring knowing they won from the moment their turn started.

I also know that some OTK decks prefer to go "second" instead of first and the reason being is they can smash anything i placed on the field and wipe out my LP on their turn. It's still an OTK, just waits one more turn.

Well that's literally Modern YGO. So that means you do not enjoy YGO according to your criteria.

[MancakeBR]

"The difference between Yugi-oh and magic the gathering is this: IN MTG: The odds of a OTK deck being played are RARE even in MTG Arena."

Full stop, no the different between yugioh and magic the gathering is the fact Magic the Gathering limits your plays due to Lands being a resource to play cards.

[Papa Shekels]

Decks that aim to OTK like numeron or d.d. dynamite are meme decks and people should generally feel bad if they consistently lose to them. However, if you go against a strong deck and offer minimal resistance, they can absolutely OTK you. The word OTK doesn't mean much when modern yugioh allows both players to make so many actions every turn. 3 turns is enough for the amount of back and forth you'd need 10-20 turns for during caveman yugioh era, which was enough for a player to win back then. It's still the same amount of actions, just condensed into fewer turns, which makes it nothing more than an arbitrary number that people seem to really be obsessing over

[conman.mulvania]

If this is your opinion please just admit you're bad at the game and can't build an actual deck.

[Bad Distraction Carnifex]

Originally posted by Vivianite:

Originally posted by Bad Distraction Carnifex:

On the inverse, nobody is forcing you to read let alone comment. How about we be adults and let people express their opinions?

i did, and that's my response, they clearly dislike yugioh, and im saying they shouldn't bother playing it and go play MTG instead.

Gonna say it in that case, you're being toxic. Go take a walk.

[Krystal]

Originally posted by conman.mulvania:

If this is your opinion please just admit you're bad at the game and can't build an actual deck.

If i'm "bad at the game" its because its so broken to begin with that the only way to be "good at the game:" is to make an OTK deck. But sure, call me bad at the game all you want as long as you admit this.

Originally posted by Bad Distraction Carnifex:

Originally posted by Vivianite:

i did, and that's my response, they clearly dislike yugioh, and im saying they shouldn't bother playing it and go play MTG instead.

Gonna say it in that case, you're being toxic. Go take a walk.

Nice to see a player with a good head on their shoulders, rare sight these days.

Originally posted by Papa Shekels:

Decks that aim to OTK like numeron or d.d. dynamite are meme decks and people should generally feel bad if they consistently lose to them. However, if you go against a strong deck and offer minimal resistance, they can absolutely OTK you. The word OTK doesn't mean much when modern yugioh allows both players to make so many actions every turn. 3 turns is enough for the amount of back and forth you'd need 10-20 turns for during caveman yugioh era, which was enough for a player to win back then. It's still the same amount of actions, just condensed into fewer turns, which makes it nothing more than an arbitrary number that people seem to really be obsessing over

Not gonna pretend to know what the TCG meta is these days but even though I'm what you call "an old fashioned yugi-oh player." I'm NOT DUMB ENOUGH to believe that a classic "silent magician" deck is gonna cut it anymore. That said, I built several decks utilizing links, syncro, pendulum, ect, and NONE OF THEM save for a preconstructed structure deck survived more than one turn(ironic, given structure decks are generally crap) and even then, the structure deck would get trounced turn 3 if I didn't OTK them.

That said, If this is how modern yugi-oh is played, I'm disappointed in the crapshoot its become. I don't want to game to be over in 1 turn or even 2, i want a nice long(not super long) and competitive game of skill.

If yugi-oh has devolved into little more than "who has the better OTK deck" and don't even tell me otherwise as I've seen enough replays at "top ranks" in the game to see this is the case plus YOUR OWN WORDS saying most games only last 3 turns most of the time, then I don't know if I can continue to enjoy the game.

It saddens and frustrates me what a beloved classic has become.

[temper]

Originally posted by deathsia:

Not gonna pretend to know what the TCG meta is these days but even though I'm what you call "an old fashioned yugi-oh player." I'm NOT DUMB ENOUGH to believe that a classic "silent magician" deck is gonna cut it anymore. That said, I built several decks utilizing links, syncro, pendulum, ect, and NONE OF THEM save for a preconstructed structure deck survived more than one turn(ironic, given structure decks are generally crap) and even then, the structure deck would get trounced turn 3 if I didn't OTK them.

That said, If this is how modern yugi-oh is played, I'm disappointed in the crapshoot its become. I don't want to game to be over in 1 turn or even 2, i want a nice long(not super long) and competitive game of skill.

If yugi-oh has devolved into little more than "who has the better OTK deck" and don't even tell me otherwise as I've seen enough replays at "top ranks" in the game to see this is the case plus YOUR OWN WORDS saying most games only last 3 turns most of the time, then I don't know if I can continue to enjoy the game.

It saddens and frustrates me what a beloved classic has become.

Silent magician was never meta and didn't cut it back then either lol. If you tried playing that against meta decks then you would get destroyed pretty hard. It's going to be the same today if you try playing super casual decks against meta ones.

If both players know how to deck build and play, the game will last much longer. The number of turns can be short sometimes, but the length of those turns can be pretty long.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prKfu5YwFow
This is a random video I watched from a weekly tournament and the game lasted 7 turns (almost 20 minutes) with a ton of back and forth.

I play monarchs and they haven't been meta since 2016, yet a lot of the games I play easily last at least 5-6+ turns because I can still put up a fight. The other day I had one that almost made it to 20.

Either way, I don't know why you would expect the game to play exactly as it did back in the old days. It's been a long time and logically there would be a ton of changes. You can find people to play old school with if you really want that (on the forum, discord, etc.), no one's stopping you.