Pole Axe.

[楊玄。杨玄。LangrisserWWE]

Find out the hard way by using this weapon that I am bad at deflecting.

This weapon is not meant for aggressive style. Too slow to be aggressive. Not fantastically powerful. Truelly a weapon to test your abilities.

[Nomnom Victory]

Originally posted by LangrisserWWE:

Not fantastically powerful. Truelly a weapon to test your abilities.

Is this intended to be a joke? Poleaxe is genuinely god-tier at parrying, the guard poleaxe has one of the best hitboxes for parrying in the entire game, nothing else comes close to it. Parries that I was constantly failing I instantly nail every time when I swap to my poleaxe.

I got a purple one with impregnable keep and sea split in NG and I still have nothing better halfway through NG+. impregnable keep is just a big-old counter, buff it with overpower burst when you really want to slap someone. Sea split is a fast single hit, I use it to apply damage vulnerability right before I go to do a fatal strike.

My framerate kinda sucks, so I swap to my poleaxe whenever I want to play in easy mode...

[楊玄。杨玄。LangrisserWWE]

Originally posted by Nomnom Victory:

Originally posted by LangrisserWWE:

Not fantastically powerful. Truelly a weapon to test your abilities.

Is this intended to be a joke? Poleaxe is genuinely god-tier at parrying, the guard poleaxe has one of the best hitboxes for parrying in the entire game, nothing else comes close to it. Parries that I was constantly failing I instantly nail every time when I swap to my poleaxe.

I got a purple one with impregnable keep and sea split in NG and I still have nothing better halfway through NG+. impregnable keep is just a big-old counter, buff it with overpower burst when you really want to slap someone. Sea split is a fast single hit, I use it to apply damage vulnerability right before I go to do a fatal strike.

My framerate kinda sucks, so I swap to my poleaxe whenever I want to play in easy mode...

I am saying I am bad at parrying. I am not saying Pole axe is bad for parrying. I play aggressively most of the time with spears and glaives. Only leave little chances for parrying...

Dude learn to read before getting all riled up or the joke is on you. What is wrong with this forum and it's people?

I have many Pole axes but none of it has imprenable keep. I hope I can get one eventually, it is why I am doing pole axe now. I am waiting.

Anyway, Pole axe is too slow to play aggressively and it doesn't does significantly more damage than other weapons which I feel it should. This is the reason why you need to rely more on parrying, and if you are not fantastic in the timing or reaction time. You struggle.

By the way, I just soloed NG+ Dong Zhou with Pole axe after 5 tries. There is a thread now that people complained he is too strong...

[Nomnom Victory]

Originally posted by LangrisserWWE:

I am saying I am bad at parrying. I am not saying Pole axe is bad for parrying. I play aggressively most of the time with spears and glaives. Only leave little chances for parrying...

Dude learn to read before getting all riled up or the joke is on you. What is wrong with this forum and it's people?

I have many Pole axes but none of it has imprenable keep. I hope I can get one eventually, it is why I am doing pole axe now. I am waiting.

My apologies if i came across as upset, I assure you that I was actually just bemused and amused but text format does no favours in conveying tone.

The portion of your post that I found funny was the bit that I quoted "Not fantastically powerful" for the reasons that I described, I would describe the poleaxe as one of the most powerful weapons, good martial arts do a massive job at overcoming the weaknesses of the weapon while further increasing it's strengths.

If you want to try out impregnable keep you can just buy a white one from the blacksmith, that's what I did early on in NG. When I think someone might be joking it brings a smirk to my face, jokes are after all, a good thing in life.

[Lahoo Eckbert]

Most weapons aren't really good for agressive play styles in PVE tbh. I mean most bosses and bigger enemies face tank your weapons and trade hits and you always lose those exchanges anyway.
It's always better to just deflect, and attack with a heavy, deplete spirit and then reposte.

[楊玄。杨玄。LangrisserWWE]

Originally posted by Nomnom Victory:

Originally posted by LangrisserWWE:

I am saying I am bad at parrying. I am not saying Pole axe is bad for parrying. I play aggressively most of the time with spears and glaives. Only leave little chances for parrying...

Dude learn to read before getting all riled up or the joke is on you. What is wrong with this forum and it's people?

I have many Pole axes but none of it has imprenable keep. I hope I can get one eventually, it is why I am doing pole axe now. I am waiting.

My apologies if i came across as upset, I assure you that I was actually just bemused and amused but text format does no favours in conveying tone.

The portion of your post that I found funny was the bit that I quoted "Not fantastically powerful" for the reasons that I described, I would describe the poleaxe as one of the most powerful weapons, good martial arts do a massive job at overcoming the weaknesses of the weapon while further increasing it's strengths.

If you want to try out impregnable keep you can just buy a white one from the blacksmith, that's what I did early on in NG. When I think someone might be joking it brings a smirk to my face, jokes are after all, a good thing in life.

All good. I am still very unfamiliar with pole axes. I use Glaives most of the time. The damage done by glaives and the speed makes Pole axes feels like you are fighting with your hands tied. Constantly have to be passive aggressive and relied too heavily on counters. With glaives and other weapons, I usually initiate an attack or challenge the human mob's attacks with the attack range of my glaive it felt like easy mode compared to Pole Axes. Which is why I feel it is not fantastically powerful.

[楊玄。杨玄。LangrisserWWE]

Originally posted by Lahoo Eckbert:

Most weapons aren't really good for agressive play styles in PVE tbh. I mean most bosses and bigger enemies face tank your weapons and trade hits and you always lose those exchanges anyway.
It's always better to just deflect, and attack with a heavy, deplete spirit and then reposte.

Well, I play aggressive with most weapons except pole axes. Which reduced the need to deflect. Funny enough I haven't yet got use to parry... hardly use it and not too confident with its effectiveness against bosses.

[Heavenly Peaks Purveyor]

Originally posted by Nomnom Victory:

Anyway, Pole axe is too slow to play aggressively and it doesn't does significantly more damage than other weapons which I feel it should. This is the reason why you need to rely more on parrying, and if you are not fantastic in the timing or reaction time. You struggle.

By the way, I just soloed NG+ Dong Zhou with Pole axe after 5 tries. There is a thread now that people complained he is too strong...

I beat the absolute Dog poop out of Dong Zhou, first go. I haven't played him in NG+, so I'll see later.

Anyway, weapon upgrade level largely determines how "powerful" a weapon is. The other factor is stat scaling.

If you want it to be stronger then you need to distribute your phase points accordingly.
If, for example with Guard poleaxe, you'd do well to have a high Earth Phase (as high as you can get it), high metal phase and high fire phase - in that order. In general the higher the letter ranking, the more your stats scale to boost your damage.

[楊玄。杨玄。LangrisserWWE]

Originally posted by Heavenly Peaks Purveyor:

Originally posted by Nomnom Victory:

Anyway, Pole axe is too slow to play aggressively and it doesn't does significantly more damage than other weapons which I feel it should. This is the reason why you need to rely more on parrying, and if you are not fantastic in the timing or reaction time. You struggle.

By the way, I just soloed NG+ Dong Zhou with Pole axe after 5 tries. There is a thread now that people complained he is too strong...

I beat the absolute Dog poop out of Dong Zhou, first go. I haven't played him in NG+, so I'll see later.

Anyway, weapon upgrade level largely determines how "powerful" a weapon is. The other factor is stat scaling.

If you want it to be stronger then you need to distribute your phase points accordingly.
If, for example with Guard poleaxe, you'd do well to have a high Earth Phase (as high as you can get it), high metal phase and high fire phase - in that order. In general the higher the letter ranking, the more your stats scale to boost your damage.

Exactly what I did, fire earth and metal. Mine is a poison build, 40 fire 40 metal the rest on earth. The damage out put despite that arrangement is no match for the speed and damage of a glaive in normal attack mode, but the martial arts does do good damage relatively speaking.

So yeah, Pole axe martial arts do good damage but the normal attacks is so slow and disappointing.

[Heavenly Peaks Purveyor]

Originally posted by LangrisserWWE:

Exactly what I did, fire earth and metal. Mine is a poison build, 40 fire 40 metal the rest on earth. The damage out put despite that arrangement is no match for the speed and damage of a glaive in normal attack mode, but the martial arts does do good damage relatively speaking.

So yeah, Pole axe martial arts do good damage but the normal attacks is so slow and disappointing.

Have you tried attaching 'Haste Upon Martial Art' to it?
That may help some.
Most people don't like to, but I think lighter builds also help quite a bit. I've stayed with my Nameless Gear largely for the Agility rating (A). I also tend to favor high attack builds, anyway it's just a thought. I'm not sure how much it would actually help.

[楊玄。杨玄。LangrisserWWE]

Originally posted by Heavenly Peaks Purveyor:

Originally posted by LangrisserWWE:

Exactly what I did, fire earth and metal. Mine is a poison build, 40 fire 40 metal the rest on earth. The damage out put despite that arrangement is no match for the speed and damage of a glaive in normal attack mode, but the martial arts does do good damage relatively speaking.

So yeah, Pole axe martial arts do good damage but the normal attacks is so slow and disappointing.

Have you tried attaching 'Haste Upon Martial Art' to it?
That may help some.
Most people don't like to, but I think lighter builds also help quite a bit. I've stayed with my Nameless Gear largely for the Agility rating (A). I also tend to favor high attack builds, anyway it's just a thought. I'm not sure how much it would actually help.

Not sure why, haste upon martial art is not available as an option for the Xia Huo Dun set. I might try another set without the Pole Axe damage boost. Lucky, one of the accessories have this ability. Well it does allow you to run faster, it doesn't make your normal attack animation faster. Most of the time, you use your Martial art rush the mob or boss, quite effective, but in pvp... well very risky and almost stupid as people will parry your martial art.

Right now, I am testing on my poison build for Pole Axe. Hopefully I get get some good 5 star set that have haste upon martial art or deflection.

[楊玄。杨玄。LangrisserWWE]

Okay I take it back... it is not that you can't be aggressive with poleaxe. It is that you have to do it differently. You need the right martial skill to do it. Just don't use normal attack because it is too slow... super big telegraphed move.