Game was fun but...

[DJNOSTYLE]

I have a hard time viewing it as anything other than a half-hearted Nioh spinoff.

Ignoring the performance/graphical issues entirely, there was just so much ♥♥♥♥ left out of this game in comparison to the others and I don't really understand why?

Wo Long is very clearly built on top of the Nioh games and like half of the UI and several systems are straight up ported over from it. But there are so many steps backward in terms of QOL that it feels like they didn't even PLAY the game.

- Can't compare items
- The only way to access the storehouse is through a hidden menu at the blacksmith
- Arrows don't replenish at shrines anymore
- Can't preview cosmetics
- Lack of the Nioh style main menu makes moving between missions a chore
- Enemy model viewer is gone

Even the fun was straight up taken out of looting bosses as everything just pops right into your inventory now. There's no adrenaline rush or sense of accomplishment.

I can deal with the new combat system even though it's significantly less in-depth than Nioh's.
I can deal with having a shorter game and a lack of enemy diversity.
I can even deal with having only one way to play since the whole game hinges entirely upon the deflect mechanic.

But what is the point in stripping nearly every single QOL tool out of this game when they've already been made?

I don't get it.

What I'm sincerely hoping is that Wo Long was just a B-Team project or something while most of Team Ninja's resources were dumped into Rise of the Ronin. If that's the case, fine. But if this is their honest-to-god attempt at a new IP and a real follow up to Nioh, I'm extremely disappointed.

Final Playtime: 25 Hours (Includes all Main/Sub Missions + Only missing 2 flags)

[Dusklite]

Summed it up pretty nicely.

I don't think it's a bad game, though. Just a bit of a disappointment when coming from Nioh 2.

I doubt it's a B-team effort, though - given that they plan on three expansion size DLC just as before. You wouldn't put that much time into the game if you weren't somewhat confident about the quality of the product.

I just hope we get some of the QoL stuff that Nioh had with upcoming patches. Probably not for a few months, though.

[DJNOSTYLE]

Originally posted by Dusklite:

Summed it up pretty nicely.

I don't think it's a bad game, though. Just a bit of a disappointment when coming from Nioh 2.

I doubt it's a B-team effort, though - given that they plan on three expansion size DLC just as before. You wouldn't put that much time into the game if you weren't somewhat confident about the quality of the product.

I just hope we get some of the QoL stuff that Nioh had with upcoming patches. Probably not for a few months, though.

Yeah I'd still give the game a solid 7/10. It just feels like there's so much left out. Like you said, it's not a bad game. It's just nowhere even near Nioh 2.

[MMB]

Game feels bare bones in places not worth full price Imo.

[zemzero]

Originally posted by DJNOSTYLE:

What I'm sincerely hoping is that Wo Long was just a B-Team project

From what I hear, it was.

Even so, comparison is the thief of joy. This isn't Nioh. It's not a spin off of Nioh. People need to stop comparing the two.

[AsianChineseGuy]

Originally posted by zemzero:

Originally posted by DJNOSTYLE:

What I'm sincerely hoping is that Wo Long was just a B-Team project

From what I hear, it was.

Even so, comparison is the thief of joy. This isn't Nioh. It's not a spin off of Nioh. People need to stop comparing the two.

From the depths of darkness, a dragon soars.
A new dark fantasy Three Kingdoms action RPG from Team NINJA, the developers of Nioh.
Nah, people should be comparing it to nioh. That line on the store page alone says hey you nioh players you can expect the same quality we made in nioh for wo long yea?. Thus, its simply a no brainer we compare it to nioh. A different setting and gameplay is no exception when everything else are similar or close to similar.

[DJNOSTYLE]

Originally posted by zemzero:

Originally posted by DJNOSTYLE:

What I'm sincerely hoping is that Wo Long was just a B-Team project

This isn't Nioh. It's not a spin off of Nioh. People need to stop comparing the two.

If they didn't want the games to be compared they wouldn't have straight up just repurposed 75% of the older game into this one. Even one of the enemies is re-used.

[level3]

Originally posted by zemzero:

Originally posted by DJNOSTYLE:

What I'm sincerely hoping is that Wo Long was just a B-Team project

From what I hear, it was.

Even so, comparison is the thief of joy. This isn't Nioh. It's not a spin off of Nioh. People need to stop comparing the two.

OP summed it up very nicely. While they should have the freedom to try new things, the numerous downgrades on QoL is just pointless. It doesnt make the game harder, it doesnt make it more interesting, its not a innovative design to not be able to preview decorations, its just plain and simply a pointless downgrade and stupid decission by the dev team. It makes life harder. The menu navigation, button layout etc. its a downgrade and loss of QoL literally everywhere, without acomplishing anything, just generating annoyance at the audience.

Thats even on top of the bad performance. i cant even load the game anymore, since the chapter im in just closes the game.

All that considered, the game was released for a high asking price while being highly unpolished and deserves the bad ratings. I will give it two weeks and review it then.

[XGear]

Originally posted by DJNOSTYLE:

I have a hard time viewing it as anything other than a half-hearted Nioh spinoff.

Ignoring the performance/graphical issues entirely, there was just so much ♥♥♥♥ left out of this game in comparison to the others and I don't really understand why?

Wo Long is very clearly built on top of the Nioh games and like half of the UI and several systems are straight up ported over from it. But there are so many steps backward in terms of QOL that it feels like they didn't even PLAY the game.

- Can't compare items
- The only way to access the storehouse is through a hidden menu at the blacksmith
- Arrows don't replenish at shrines anymore
- Can't preview cosmetics
- Lack of the Nioh style main menu makes moving between missions a chore
- Enemy model viewer is gone

Even the fun was straight up taken out of looting bosses as everything just pops right into your inventory now. There's no adrenaline rush or sense of accomplishment.

I can deal with the new combat system even though it's significantly less in-depth than Nioh's.
I can deal with having a shorter game and a lack of enemy diversity.
I can even deal with having only one way to play since the whole game hinges entirely upon the deflect mechanic.

But what is the point in stripping nearly every single QOL tool out of this game when they've already been made?

I don't get it.

What I'm sincerely hoping is that Wo Long was just a B-Team project or something while most of Team Ninja's resources were dumped into Rise of the Ronin. If that's the case, fine. But if this is their honest-to-god attempt at a new IP and a real follow up to Nioh, I'm extremely disappointed.

Final Playtime: 25 Hours (Includes all Main/Sub Missions + Only missing 2 flags)

My thought about this game is, while it hold Team Ninja name, it may not be developed for the same Team Ninja developers of Nioh2 or Sekiro. Clearly you can notice the difference between Nioh 2, Sekiro and this game. Maybe this game was made for some newcomer Team Ninja workers that is learning how to make games i think, maybe its their first true game release? We will never know, but clearly the difference of Nyoh,Sekiro and Wo Long make clear this is not made by same team of developer even using Team Ninja flag.

[MaChao]

Originally posted by zemzero:

Even so, comparison is the thief of joy. This isn't Nioh. It's not a spin off of Nioh. People need to stop comparing the two.

This.
Not much else to add here,

[Celery]

Originally posted by MaChao:

Originally posted by zemzero:

Even so, comparison is the thief of joy. This isn't Nioh. It's not a spin off of Nioh. People need to stop comparing the two.

This.
Not much else to add here,

It's reasonable to compare two similar games, especially when one of them straight up rips assets from the other.

If you've played Nioh 1/2 and enjoyed them, you would be hard pressed to find the same fulfilment from Wo Long unless you have ridiculously low expectations.

Would you not compare Outlast to Alien Isolation?
Would you not compare DotA 2 to League of Legends?
Would you not compare the hundreds of Battle Royale games?

In a vacuum Wo Long is mid, when considering the existence of superior games from the same studio it's a bad game because we've already seen what's possible.

As it's been pointed this game misses QoL features that this studio has done before that make it painful to play.

[la_nague]

yeah idk what is going on with team ninja.

Both Wo Long and Strangers of Paradise feel like low effort games for them.

I thought Wo Long was what they put their big focus on while making some money with SoP on the side. But that doesnt seem to be the case. Everything is less than in Nioh 2, the only thing they added is jumping around.

[True_Might]

should be glad it isnt nioh because then it be a Jump backwards in terms of improvement, I would agree that many of the changes were worse.

This is like comparing Dark Souls to NIOH there the same Genre but still different. Dark souls to Dark souls 2? much better comparison due to being the same IP. Comparing should only go as far as preference but saying one game needs to do this like this other game will only cause frustration.

BUT if this game had more things from N2 then people would just called it Nioh 2.5 or even 3 but in China. much like when some said N2 was just N 1.5

so the less things or alternative things from nioh is a better way at looking at it. there's plenty of issues from N1 that got fixed in N2. They eventually may add things in W-L that perhaps nioh should have or don't,

Im sure patches or even a sequel could add/fix ppl complaints. But again if they take too much from NIOH then W-L would offer only a parry/flag system compared to N2.

if there going to make this an alternative to nioh then they should continue to do so and not keep grabbing things from Nioh. one being PVP which some people were complaining about not being in N2

However i do agree with at least the QOL stuff that's missing, that kind of stuff is always overlooked

[Glenarn]

Got all achievements there and I agree with your points, while it was an enjoyable game overall, It felt more like a side project and was missing a lot QoL features that it's predecessor Nioh 2 had.

My biggest gripe with the game is how badly the Co-Op is designed, even Nioh 2 had solid Co-Op and I was going to help players run different levels only to find out you can't select which areas you want help players in and it's mess with the boss/enemies teleporting around.

[MaChao]

Originally posted by Celery:

Would you not compare Outlast to Alien Isolation?
Would you not compare DotA 2 to League of Legends?
Would you not compare the hundreds of Battle Royale games?

Nope, not really.
Just because games occupy the same genre doesn't mean they have to follow the exact same design templates too.

Wo Long is a Character-Action game first and a Soulslike a distant second, and personally, i'm rather glad about that. If that's not your cup of tea, that's perfectly fine!
But expecting this to be just like Nioh, that's on you alone.

[Dweller Beyond the Threshold]

Originally posted by MaChao:

Originally posted by Celery:

Would you not compare Outlast to Alien Isolation?
Would you not compare DotA 2 to League of Legends?
Would you not compare the hundreds of Battle Royale games?

Nope, not really.
Just because games occupy the same genre doesn't mean they have to follow the exact same design templates too.

Wo Long is a Character-Action game first and a Soulslike a distant second, and personally, i'm rather glad about that. If that's not your cup of tea, that's perfectly fine!
But expecting this to be just like Nioh, that's on you alone.

except this post isn't even talking about gameplay, it's talking about BLOODY QOL FEATURES. Like WTF would you remove the ability to compare gears or show a preview of the armor you are transmoging into? Seriously boggles my mind there are people defending these absolutely inexcusable downgrades. Even without an obvious comparison target, the lack of these things are just bad and makes no sense on its own.