The truth about KBM vs controller

[Simplejack]

Its simple math. On a controller you use 4 or 6 fingers (if you find pressing R2 and L2 with your middle finger comfortable, personally I dont but I know some people dont mind) to do all the given actions in a game. With controller you use 5 fingers on your left hand and 3 fingers at minimum on your right hand, possible 4 fingers if you are agile with your ring finger. and you use your arm/wrist for camera control so that counts as another finger. Thats a total of 9 or 10 fingers vs 4 or 6 for controller. KBM is just better.

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Originally posted by Simplejack:

Its simple math. On a controller you use 4 or 6 fingers (if you find pressing R2 and L2 with your middle finger comfortable, personally I dont but I know some people dont mind) to do all the given actions in a game. With controller you use 5 fingers on your left hand and 3 fingers at minimum on your right hand, possible 4 fingers if you are agile with your ring finger. and you use your arm/wrist for camera control so that counts as another finger. Thats a total of 9 or 10 fingers vs 4 or 6 for controller. KBM is just better.

WTH is wrong with you ? XD
I dont think you ever played with a controller or your a troll.

[Simplejack]

Originally posted by Mixed Messages:

Originally posted by Simplejack:

Its simple math. On a controller you use 4 or 6 fingers (if you find pressing R2 and L2 with your middle finger comfortable, personally I dont but I know some people dont mind) to do all the given actions in a game. With controller you use 5 fingers on your left hand and 3 fingers at minimum on your right hand, possible 4 fingers if you are agile with your ring finger. and you use your arm/wrist for camera control so that counts as another finger. Thats a total of 9 or 10 fingers vs 4 or 6 for controller. KBM is just better.

WTH is wrong with you ? XD
I dont think you ever played with a controller or your a troll.

WTH is wrong with you ? XD
I dont think you ever played with a KBM or your a troll.

Im sorry I dont know what to answer to these idiotic posts so I just send back to expedient....

Tiresome to argue with people like you.

[Chaosfrag]

I'm not sure if you are just trolling, because what you wrote ist just stupid and makes no sense at all if one were to take it seriously...

Please read what you wrote, think about it and then rewrite it just to give it some sense.

^^

[Lahoo Eckbert]

Are you saying that you can do more with less by using a controller?
Your metric seems to be action per finger, and you admitted that you use less fingers while using a controller. Nice self own there champ.

[Simplejack]

Originally posted by Lahoo Eckbert:

Are you saying that you can do more with less by using a controller?
Your metric seems to be action per finger, and you admitted that you use less fingers while using a controller. Nice self own there champ.

Im saying you can do the same thing in a much more comfortable manner with KBM. Are you stupid or?
Do you enjoy double presses for like half of your actions? I dont.

[Simplejack]

Originally posted by Lahoo Eckbert:

Are you saying that you can do more with less by using a controller?
Your metric seems to be action per finger, and you admitted that you use less fingers while using a controller. Nice self own there champ.

I actually cant believe this comment. Are you too stupid to understand the point of my post? or are you just extremely hypocritical?

[Wizard_of_Nozs]

I got a finger you can use ..l..

[VeraelHasta]

I won't say which one is better because you do you, play what you want.

But your assumption is wrong. The controller has way more ergonomic design. Using button combinations is easier than on keyboard. Pressing Shift + 1 is usually more inconvienient than pressing LB + X for example.

The biggest advantage of k&m is the mouse. It is way better for precise aiming and managing inventory or general UI elements.
SO if you want to play a game with a ton of inventory managment or UI managment (like charts etc) k&m would be better. But for an action game controller is better suited.

Then again, you do you - if the game has a k&m support, it is reasonable to expect it to work properly.

[Gucky]

You don't understand analog sticks do you?
One stick replaces 4!!! keys on the keyboard, same as the mouse cursor movement.
Typically you need 2 fingers on the keyboard to "imitate" an analog stick and since you can press the stick, it is another button, so 3 fingers.
And where the hell do you count 5 fingers on a mouse? At most you can use 4. :D

tldr: A controller that is used with 6 fingers is "worth" 12 fingers. :D

[The Dog]

Originally posted by VeraelHasta:

I won't say which one is better because you do you, play what you want.

But your assumption is wrong. The controller has way more ergonomic design. Using button combinations is easier than on keyboard. Pressing Shift + 1 is usually more inconvienient than pressing LB + X for example.

The biggest advantage of k&m is the mouse. It is way better for precise aiming and managing inventory or general UI elements.
SO if you want to play a game with a ton of inventory managment or UI managment (like charts etc) k&m would be better. But for an action game controller is better suited.

Then again, you do you - if the game has a k&m support, it is reasonable to expect it to work properly.

except you almost never press shift+1 because there are many keys at your disposal and even not the brightest developers take advantage of them (like GoW, Spider Man, Assassin's Creed, i personally played them using both controller and K+M, pressed less combinations -> more comfort and usually precision, easier to use in a middle of a fight).

[Brahson]

i just roll my face over the keyboard that counts as 100 fingers

[stevo]

I'm playing a video game, not the piano. Unless you want precision aiming on an FPS or a dozen keys because you're playing an MMO that has a HUD like a Airplane cockpit, I don't see the point.

[The Dog]

Originally posted by Gucky:

You don't understand analog sticks do you?
One stick replaces 4!!! keys on the keyboard, same as the mouse cursor movement.
Typically you need 2 fingers on the keyboard to "imitate" an analog stick and since you can press the stick, it is another button, so 3 fingers.
And where the hell do you count 5 fingers on a mouse? At most you can use 4. :D

tldr: A controller that is used with 6 fingers is "worth" 12 fingers. :D

you miss the point. In near vicinity of WASD you can press many keys, this area is pretty much like X-Y-A-B on gamepad. Except you can press many buttons easily with all 5 fingers. Also unlike gamepad you can move around with less effort, since you can always press W-A-S-D with one finger. Meanwhile if you want to use a dpad on a gamepad you have to take your thumb off a stick, meaning you will stop moving (or move your other fingers awkwardly). That's why if there is an important action on DPAD it is easier to use it on Keyboard. Same with those menu buttons. But they are usually useless anyway.
Then we go to right stick. You either press "combos" with your right thumb or you use your camera.
When you use a mouse you don't have to choose. You simply press combos and move around the camera.
Some bosses in Sekiro, for example, punish you for having a lock-on (like ape). So being unable to move your camera comfortably can be deadly. Some people are ok with that, some are not. Meaning it is all subjective and saying "best played with controller" is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. I hate lock-on and unaccurate camera so unless you never use your camera (racing games) it is a big deal for me. But even then in games like elden ring i find it easier to summon my mount or drink my estus on keyboard, especially in a middle of a fight. Maybe this difference is not that big but eventually all those micro details add up together.

tldr: 4 fingers are almost never used when you use a gamepad, 4 are on lb\rb\rt\lt and 2 on a stick area. Meaning 6 fingers, while 2 on a stick area usually do much more work. Using the keyboard at least 5 fingers can work as much as those 2 providing more comfort and precision. Mouse = right stick, and then it is still 100x times easier to press buttons on a mouse then use right stick and press buttons the same time.

Originally posted by stevo:

I'm playing a video game, not the piano. Unless you want precision aiming on an FPS or a dozen keys because you're playing an MMO that has a HUD like a Airplane cockpit, I don't see the point.

it is all subjective and depends on a person or a game. The simpler the game the easier it is to use the controller, it is true. However it doesn't mean that you can't use less buttons on a keyboard. Quite the opposite. That's why it is bizarre we are even in that situation.
But even in a simple game it doesn't hurt to have precise camera movements and key-presses. For some people what controller brings to the table doesn't justify the loss in precision. Other people are ok with that and it is fine. But they are narrow-minded and can't understand that it is not a racing game. It is not as basic controls wise so this little additional comfort makes a lot of difference, at least for some people. Even pressing left stick during movement for me is less comfortable then pressing shift and pressing W at the same time. And unless you press that stick once in 10 hours it will bother me. Especially if you press it every 5 minutes. I would rather use keyboard.

[Jack Sparrow]

what the ♥♥♥♥ even is this thread

[Aria Athena]

Let me tell you the truth about KBM vs Controller. They didn't implement KBM properly, which makes is practically unplayable no matter how many fingers you use. Controller apparently also has a few issues, but it at least works even with 4 fingers. The total fingers I'm giving this game is one, potentially two if I'm feeling generous.