Nergigante vs Valstrax, 4 categories

[heroesground27]

1) Who's more fun to fight

2) Whose design-both monsters and their armor and weapons, do you like more

3) Whose music theme do you like more

4) Who'd win in a fight

Lately I've seen the MH community foster a sort of rivalry between Nergigante and Valstrax. Not sure why personally, but I'd figure I start a discussion on the topic here, using these categories to make it more complex.

[Orzeker]

1- I enjoy nergigante a lot more.

2- Again I'll have to go with nergigante for this one, valstrax is just a black dragon with some jets wings (kinda hate that there's so much black dragon as elders). Nergigante is a lot more unique.
For the armor set I have to go with nergigante aswell, I like this primitive kind of look, feels a lot more brutal than valstrax one.
But for the weapons valstrax are a lot better !

3- Theme wise valstrax all the way.

4- I really don't know who'd win, nergigante specialize in killing elder dragon though, and valstrax divebomb is a really big threat, both could win.
If i really had to choose i'd say nergigante since he make a speciality out of hunting elder dragons and growing stronger after eating one,

[CourtesyFlush09]

Also, the idea of a monster that's been driven insane by its own energy is rad af. That is all.

[heroesground27]

Publicado originalmente por muchasryder:

Valstrax for the first 3 categories. I'd love to say Val takes the last one but Nerg is so specialized in dealing with other Elders due to actually preying on them. I will say at most that I believe Valstrax would give Nergigante the most fair and challenging fight compared to the other Elders the latter has faced.

Publicado originalmente por heroesground27:

Lately I've seen the MH community foster a sort of rivalry between Nergigante and Valstrax. Not sure why personally

My 2 cents, it's because both monsters are diametrically opposed on an aesthetic level. It's the simple vs the complex, the down to earth vs the over the top. Nerg has a very standard draconic design, while Valstrax obviously is meant to specifically emulate fighter jet aircraft. Val is also based on the peregrine falcon, which I believe is regarded as the fastest animal in the world(atleast when it's divebombing).

Nergigante is a simple monster to fight. No elemental or esoteric abilities like other Elders have, it's just raw brute strength supported with additional offensive power from its constantly regenerating spikes. Valstrax meanwhile could arguably be considered the most complex fight of the mid sized Elders. It's wings are actually narrow tubes webbed together by an elastic membrane, which allows Val to extend the sharp point of the largest and uppermost tubes forward like javelins. It can twist its wings around so the exhaust holes of the tubes face forward, turning its wings into oversized claws to crush and slash opponents with, or shoot bolts of dragon energy at enemies like missiles, and as of recent manifest a humongous amount of dragon energy and expel it in the form of an intense laser beam.

Yeah I think I see it. I don't know if "realistic" is the right word to use here but Nergigante is something like that, while Valstrax is more "out there". Would it be true to say those who prefer one over the other is indicative of what overall monster design they prefer?

[ᔑᓭ∴ᔑリ⊣]

for all points: valstrax
we can smash nergi's spikes with an overlarge hammer. valstrax' wings are a little stronger than that. also pretty sure nergi has a weakness to dragon element
if he can get in real close though then it starts to balance out more

edit: actually, thinking about it, i have to admit nergi's armour is more fashionable. female valstrax set is especially ugly lol

[muchasryder]

Publicado originalmente por heroesground27:

Publicado originalmente por muchasryder:

Valstrax for the first 3 categories. I'd love to say Val takes the last one but Nerg is so specialized in dealing with other Elders due to actually preying on them. I will say at most that I believe Valstrax would give Nergigante the most fair and challenging fight compared to the other Elders the latter has faced.




My 2 cents, it's because both monsters are diametrically opposed on an aesthetic level. It's the simple vs the complex, the down to earth vs the over the top. Nerg has a very standard draconic design, while Valstrax obviously is meant to specifically emulate fighter jet aircraft. Val is also based on the peregrine falcon, which I believe is regarded as the fastest animal in the world(atleast when it's divebombing).

Nergigante is a simple monster to fight. No elemental or esoteric abilities like other Elders have, it's just raw brute strength supported with additional offensive power from its constantly regenerating spikes. Valstrax meanwhile could arguably be considered the most complex fight of the mid sized Elders. It's wings are actually narrow tubes webbed together by an elastic membrane, which allows Val to extend the sharp point of the largest and uppermost tubes forward like javelins. It can twist its wings around so the exhaust holes of the tubes face forward, turning its wings into oversized claws to crush and slash opponents with, or shoot bolts of dragon energy at enemies like missiles, and as of recent manifest a humongous amount of dragon energy and expel it in the form of an intense laser beam.

Yeah I think I see it. I don't know if "realistic" is the right word to use here but Nergigante is something like that, while Valstrax is more "out there". Would it be true to say those who prefer one over the other is indicative of what overall monster design they prefer?

Not literally, part of what makes Valstrax so popular is how stand out it is compared to a huge majority of monsters in the setting. Only one that compares is Ahtal Ka (introduced in the same game lol) but you can separate the junk mech from Ahtal and she would have no problems fitting in with the MH feel.

[Komarimaru]

Nergigante has two main powers. Rapid regeneration, and suppressing the powers of any and all elder dragons.

Since Valstrax is an elder dragon, their powers and strengths would be supressed, thus easy food for Nergigante.

They wrote the lore on Nergigante too powerfully, no elder dragon can defeat him due to Elderseal and Regeneration.

[heroesground27]

Another question, and it's not a comparison, would you like to see Valstrax return in MH6/World 2? As a mascot monster Valstrax has the privilege of returning in future games. Some mascots are used sparingly, while others have been in nearly every base game and expansion since their inception.
Considering how likely it is that the next game will be heavily influenced from World, with a return to the more immersive environments and such, it'd be interesting to see how Valstrax could fit in.

[CourtesyFlush09]

Publicado originalmente por Komarimaru:

Nergigante has two main powers. Rapid regeneration, and suppressing the powers of any and all elder dragons.

I have never heard of Nerg having the ability to "suppress the powers of any and all elder dragons." That would just be stupidly OP and boring.

This sounds more like fan-fiction.

[Komarimaru]

Publicado originalmente por CourtesyFlush90:

Publicado originalmente por Komarimaru:

Nergigante has two main powers. Rapid regeneration, and suppressing the powers of any and all elder dragons.

I have never heard of Nerg having the ability to "suppress the powers of any and all elder dragons." That would just be stupidly OP and boring.

This sounds more like fan-fiction.

Where do you think the whole Elderseal came from? Yes, Nergigante is that "OP" as you say. Why it's nickname is the Extinction Dragon from the Guild.

[kampfer91]

Even with the whole spike generate , Nergi won't be able to survive the impact of Valtrax meteor strike , and Val can always blast Nergi with dragon element beam .

[Komarimaru]

Publicado originalmente por kampfer91:

Even with the whole spike generate , Nergi won't be able to survive the impact of Valtrax meteor strike , and Val can always blast Nergi with dragon element beam .

I mean, I didn't write the lore. It's in the books, and probably online too lol. Nergigante is just that OP. Think them destroying elder dragons is weird? How about they reproduce asexually, with their spikes...

[ᔑᓭ∴ᔑリ⊣]

Publicado originalmente por Komarimaru:

Publicado originalmente por CourtesyFlush90:

I have never heard of Nerg having the ability to "suppress the powers of any and all elder dragons." That would just be stupidly OP and boring.

This sounds more like fan-fiction.

Where do you think the whole Elderseal came from? Yes, Nergigante is that "OP" as you say. Why it's nickname is the Extinction Dragon from the Guild.

where is your source on this?
the wikis say no such thing. in fact it says the opposite, that it kills elders purely through aggression and brute force
'elderseal' is on every dragon-element weapon, and i assume its just an addon to the element itself. which comes from elder dragon blood as it seems

[Komarimaru]

Publicado originalmente por ᔑᓭ∴ᔑリ⊣:

Publicado originalmente por Komarimaru:

Where do you think the whole Elderseal came from? Yes, Nergigante is that "OP" as you say. Why it's nickname is the Extinction Dragon from the Guild.

where is your source on this?
the wikis say no such thing. in fact it says the opposite, that it kills elders purely through aggression and brute force
'elderseal' is on every dragon-element weapon, and i assume its just an addon to the element itself. which comes from elder dragon blood as it seems

It was hinted at inside the book, as well as on how Nergigante reproduces. Also a few forms they were thinking of trying for the game. Why you only see Elderseal in MH:World and no other title, acting far different then Dragon Element of the past titles and in Rise.

[ᔑᓭ∴ᔑリ⊣]

Publicado originalmente por Komarimaru:

Publicado originalmente por ᔑᓭ∴ᔑリ⊣:

where is your source on this?
the wikis say no such thing. in fact it says the opposite, that it kills elders purely through aggression and brute force
'elderseal' is on every dragon-element weapon, and i assume its just an addon to the element itself. which comes from elder dragon blood as it seems

It was hinted at inside the book, as well as on how Nergigante reproduces. Also a few forms they were thinking of trying for the game. Why you only see Elderseal in MH:World and no other title, acting far different then Dragon Element of the past titles and in Rise.

ah, so it was a concept. right

[Komarimaru]

Publicado originalmente por ᔑᓭ∴ᔑリ⊣:

Publicado originalmente por Komarimaru:

It was hinted at inside the book, as well as on how Nergigante reproduces. Also a few forms they were thinking of trying for the game. Why you only see Elderseal in MH:World and no other title, acting far different then Dragon Element of the past titles and in Rise.

ah, so it was a concept. right

Well, I mean. If you mean written lore, as a concept, sure. I'm not going to debate what they consider cannon since changes so often lol.