Narwa the Almother Quest Suggestions

[Reyin]

I joined like 11 quests today, and only 4 of them succeeded. I am not really surprised by carting rate of this quest because Narwa is a sh*tty boss. But complaining won't help us kill this son of b****. So here are some advice:

1. There is a skill called “Guts (根性)”. This skill allows you to not get one shot by monster (if your health is above some amount). This skill can be activated by eating a special Dongo. You can also get this skill by picking up an endemic life called "Aurorturtles" in the area against Narwa.

2. Truly, range weapon has high DPS, but Narwa could kill you with literally one shot. So I am not really recommend range weapon for new players who's not familiar with Narwa's moves. If you are are skilled and know all her moves, ignore this one.

3. Powders are your best friends in this quest, and are always your best friends.

4. Insurance, insurance, insurance, and insurance. I said four times because it is important. It is periodically showing in your Dango list. If you see it, eat it with no hesitation.

5. Narwa's attack is thunder element. Dragon element is useful for fighting against it.

6. Narwa may use one or two of her ultimate move (dragonators). Prepare the life powder and defense powder for your teammates. If you think you can not dodge the dragonators, just use Farcaster. "Running away is not shameful, and it is useful."

Please feel free to adjust these advice and add more.

These Advice could also be used in other quests. Hope these could help those who is seeking to become better and carting less.

Happy hunting.

[アンジェル]

*sigh* with all the threads which says the game is too easy this seems so weird...

I can just wonder if we have the same quest in mind. 4 out of 17? How? You probably mean some super hard event quest and not the follow up boss&boss fight with the turf war around 3/4 of the battle... I mean: just how?

Originally posted by Reyin:

1. There is a skill called “Guts (根性)”. This skill allows you to not get one shot by monster (if your health is above some amount). This skill can be activated by eating a special Dongo. You can also get this skill by picking up an endemic life called "Aurorturtles" in the area against Narwa.

https://ibb.co/0mJKZLT

Example set:
https://ibb.co/h7ySHh9

Grab Berry Safe = Insurance whenever possible

Aurorturtle = this guy: https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1818892558821921011/D1D615F9C18E4C678D19662B6322E631D885B09C/

大きな蟻塚を背負った、リクガメみたいな猟具生物。
拾うとHPゲージに黄色い印がつく。
この印より体力が残っている時であれば、致死ダメージを受けてもHP1で耐える。
いわゆる使い切りタイプの根性スキルである

In the normal quest there were two? Lanternbugs and them for survivalbility.

Originally posted by Reyin:

2. Truly, range weapon has high DPS, but Narwa could kill you with literally one shot. So I am not really recommend range weapon for new players who's not familiar with Narwa's moves. If you are are skilled and know all her moves, ignore this one.

Wise to say you need to learn a monsters move somewhat. Not sure about the melee vs. range implication. A good ranger knows what they can and they cannot.

Originally posted by Reyin:

3. Powders are your best friends in this quest, and are always your best friends.

If the Valstrax users do not complain about it, that is.

This guide is good for that
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2726182230

Originally posted by Reyin:

4. Insurance, insurance, insurance, and insurance. I said four times because it is important. It is periodically showing in your Dango list. If you see it, eat it with no hesitation.

Ah yes. Like back then in school. Rule no. 1: read. Rule no. 2: read. Rule no. 3: read rule no. 1 and 2.

Originally posted by Reyin:

5. Narwa's attack is thunder element. Dragon element is useful for fighting against it.

Rule no 4: read hunter notes?

Originally posted by Reyin:

6. Narwa may use one or two of her ultimate move (dragonators). Prepare the life powder and defense powder for your teammates. If you think you can not dodge the dragonators, just use Farcaster. "Running away is not shameful, and it is useful."

Hm... yeah. Cannot argue with that. I tend to "Guard Up". But the telegraph is so slow... you know what: my tip would be: if you are new to that, make sure to keep always one wirebug in reserve. You usually faint when you are stunned, or used up wirebugs and become unable to dodge.

I try to recall which event quest you mean here...

[Schizm]

Narwa the Allmother is imo the single worst fight they have ever made period I'd rather fight World Lunastra. The HP bloat that thing has makes it feel like an end game G rank quest in terms of how much of a damage sponge it is. Which wouldn't be a problem if it didn't constantly ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fly out of reach of melee weapons.

I also don't think the fight is particularly hard its just slow and frustrating which leads people to make stupid decisions.

And its made all the worst by one of its ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ drops being required for a lot of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥....

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by Schizm:

Narwa the Allmother is imo the single worst fight they have ever made period I'd rather fight World Lunastra. The HP bloat that thing has makes it feel like an end game G rank quest in terms of how much of a damage sponge it is. Which wouldn't be a problem if it didn't constantly ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fly out of reach of melee weapons.

I also don't think the fight is particularly hard its just slow and frustrating which leads people to make stupid decisions.

And its made all the worst by one of its ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ drops being required for a lot of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥....

I give up. I cannot recall such a quest ~

[Reyin]

Originally posted by アンジェル:

*sigh*

I can just wonder if we have the same quest in mind. 4 out of 17? How? You probably mean some super hard event quest and not the follow up boss&boss fight with the turf war around 3/4 of the battle...

11, sorry for the wrong number. I was just boring and want to farm some Narwa materials for talisman/Charm (also help other players). And really just this Narwa quest XD.

"百竜ノ淵源", this quest

[DLOZanma]

Originally posted by Schizm:

Narwa the Allmother is imo the single worst fight they have ever made period I'd rather fight World Lunastra. The HP bloat that thing has makes it feel like an end game G rank quest in terms of how much of a damage sponge it is. Which wouldn't be a problem if it didn't constantly ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fly out of reach of melee weapons.

I also don't think the fight is particularly hard its just slow and frustrating which leads people to make stupid decisions.

And its made all the worst by one of its ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ drops being required for a lot of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥....

If it had that much HP there wouldn't be solo videos sub 5, no?

[AH-1 Cobra]

Originally posted by Reyin:

2. Truly, range weapon has high DPS, but Narwa could kill you with literally one shot. So I am not really recommend range weapon for new players who's not familiar with Narwa's moves. If you are are skilled and know all her moves, ignore this one.

Yeah no. They give you the full petallace buffs for this fight, so 200+ HP, and as long as you *fully* upgraded your armor set and have the armor charm and armor talon in your inventory, then you should not be "literally one shot".

What happens here, is you got lazy, dumb, bottom of the barrel type players going in and getting OHKO'd because they're either too lazy or too stupid to upgrade their armor sets.

The allmother fight is HR 50 progression, so people really got no excuse whatsoever for not having their armor fully upgraded by this point.

[awanderingswordsman]

It's really not that hard. Don't instantly wirefall when you get hit without paying attention what move is coming next, stay back when dragonators come out and wiredash through them after the thunderball in the middle goes away. Hop on machine cannons when they appear. Everyone dying is dying because they get hit by the opening attack and then wirefall into the follow up. Delayed wake up exists and is OP, use it.

[Schizm]

Originally posted by DLOZanma:

Originally posted by Schizm:

Narwa the Allmother is imo the single worst fight they have ever made period I'd rather fight World Lunastra. The HP bloat that thing has makes it feel like an end game G rank quest in terms of how much of a damage sponge it is. Which wouldn't be a problem if it didn't constantly ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fly out of reach of melee weapons.

I also don't think the fight is particularly hard its just slow and frustrating which leads people to make stupid decisions.

And its made all the worst by one of its ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ drops being required for a lot of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥....

If it had that much HP there wouldn't be solo videos sub 5, no?

https://mhrise.kiranico.com/data/monsters/664702249

solo it has a massive health dip when playing with 3 people its nearly 53 thousand and if they are all melee weapons there is massive down time. What speed runners do is not I repeat not the norm and should not be taken as such. This monster has G rank lvls of health which isn't a problem if it didn't have such bad mechanics and tons of down time.

[AH-1 Cobra]

Anyone looking to farm allmother on teams better bring a gun or a bow to the team, if you're serious about actually farming it. And I dunno what some people call "farming" but to me that means putting something on farm status, in other words turning it into a loot pinata that's easy and efficient to dispatch, and if you wanna do that, you better bring a gun or a bow to the team.

Even on discord, the teams farming allmother basically tell everyone bring a ranged weapon or leave. 4 ranged players working together can bring it down quicker than each individual can solo it, but if we gotta carry melee dead weight then that won't be the case. Given that MH Rise has 3 player multiplayer scaling, unlike World, where having 3 people made the fight scale up for 4 players, there's absolutely no reason at all to bring any dead weight on a team that's "farming" when people don't want to bring proper builds.

Don't blame the ranged players, blame capcom for making these fights so incredibly weighted in favor of ranged weapons. There's always drama any time peeps make an allmother farming session, because melee plebs show up and don't want to get with the program, if it says "farming" and not "chill hunts, relax and do whatever" then people are expecting you to play seriously.

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by Reyin:

Originally posted by アンジェル:

*sigh*

I can just wonder if we have the same quest in mind. 4 out of 17? How? You probably mean some super hard event quest and not the follow up boss&boss fight with the turf war around 3/4 of the battle...

11, sorry for the wrong number. I was just boring and want to farm some Narwa materials for talisman/Charm (also help other players). And really just this Narwa quest XD.

"百竜ノ淵源", this quest

Even with a lesser number I still feel sorry for what you have experienced. It seems ridiculous to me. If it is actually the same quest we have in mind, I remember still my first time doing it. It was like every boss fight before: just long. Not difficult. Rather boring to be plain.

I feel more pressured when being put in arena with event Rajang, Zinogre and Tigrex together. But that boss fight with Narwa ~ it is just long...

To faint one must really not know how to use Nullberries when being afflicted by Thunderblight, or something like that...

[DLOZanma]

Originally posted by Schizm:

Originally posted by DLOZanma:

If it had that much HP there wouldn't be solo videos sub 5, no?

https://mhrise.kiranico.com/data/monsters/664702249

solo it has a massive health dip when playing with 3 people its nearly 53 thousand and if they are all melee weapons there is massive down time. What speed runners do is not I repeat not the norm and should not be taken as such. This monster has G rank lvls of health which isn't a problem if it didn't have such bad mechanics and tons of down time.

Well, norm or not it's still the same thing with 1 or 4 players. That we can't replicate it so easily still doesn't mean it's not possible.

[Dondu]

allmother cant kill me 1 shot, i got 550+ armor and 33 thunder reset first time i meet that allmother thing, aerial switch style, you can pick dual blades or SNS if you preferred melee, hell even gunlance with those missile dash LOL, iven seen 1 lately

[Kashra Fall]

Originally posted by Schizm:

Narwa the Allmother is imo the single worst fight they have ever made period I'd rather fight World Lunastra. The HP bloat that thing has makes it feel like an end game G rank quest in terms of how much of a damage sponge it is. Which wouldn't be a problem if it didn't constantly ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fly out of reach of melee weapons.

I also don't think the fight is particularly hard its just slow and frustrating which leads people to make stupid decisions.

And its made all the worst by one of its ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ drops being required for a lot of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥....

It's a 11-12 minute fight with a team that actually hits her and uses the weapons that pop up from time to time (Shoot the weakpoints.) if you're taking longer than this, it's a DPS problem on your side, or your teammate's side. You should be hearing the rise version of proof of hero around the 5-8 minute mark.

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by Dondu:

allmother cant kill me 1 shot, i got 550+ armor and 33 thunder reset first time i meet that allmother thing, aerial switch style, you can pick dual blades or SNS if you preferred melee, hell even gunlance with those missile dash LOL, iven seen 1 lately

Is there actually any monster ingame which can insta-kill? That is assuming you properly upgraded your armour related to HR tresholds.

[Reyin]

Originally posted by crimsonedge11:

Don't blame the ranged players, blame capcom for making these fights so incredibly weighted in favor of ranged weapons.

Please don't misunderstand my point XD. I do respect range weapons like other weapons. I carried a lot of hunts with my beloved sticky bomb HBG set. But like I said, I just do not recommend range weapon for those who are not familiar with her moves (personally) since the range defense is lower than other weapons (and like you said, some lazy players who do not upgrade their armors and weapons). If players are skilled with range weapon or know her moves, range weapon is actually a really really good choice. All weapons need time to practice to perform better.