Raw VS Elemental Long Sword

[TuskSpin]

I was curious as to whether or not I should build elemental Long Sword sets. I know that element is the meta in rise, and that long sword is a relatively fast weapon, but from what I can tell the weapon's mechanics don't lend themselves well to element. Most of my LS knowledge comes from World, in fact, I'm only just now picking up the weapon in rise because of World, so please correct me if I'm wrong about anything.

Based on what I've heard, the damage buff from spirit levels only affect you raw. Does this mean element is good because you don't need red to get the full effect, or bad because it's outclassed by raw? I also understand that helm breaker has reduced elemental motion values.

With these two points in mid, I wonder if elemental sets are still worth going for. Will I even notice the difference?

[Culex]

As another fellow Long Sword user from World/Iceborne, I too would like to know. Wonder if the values are the same between the games.

[Lin]

Based around the endgame of Sunbreak, where element, raw, and comfort will all fit onto your set, it is worth going for element setups for all weapons.

You should also note that weapon augments in this game increase element far higher than raw. To the point that weapons that don't even start with high elemental values will eventually hit higher numbers through that alone.

Those element numbers will easily double, triple, if not even quadruple Iceborne's strongest element weapons. The raw values meanwhile will be much closer together between all weapons.

Not to mention several armor skills will boost raw and element, further pushing how much element will help. And of course, since weapons get such high element numbers, element skills will add a whole lot more damage from the percent increases.

How important raw or element is can vary heavily depending on the fight too though. There are some where element is crucial to inflicting any meaningful damage, and then there are some where the monster element hitzones are low enough that raw is nearly as good.

But yes, go for element with any weapon you use often in this game just to deal with anything thrown at you more easily.

[Kobi Blade]

The effectiveness of Long Sword with elemental or raw damage may vary depending on the playstyle and the skills of the user.

Elemental damage is more beneficial for fast hitting weapons like dual blades, bow, and charge blade, while raw damage is more preferable for slow hitting weapons like great sword and gunlance.

Other weapons like long sword, switch axe, and hammer can use either elemental or raw damage, depending on the situation and the preference of the user. However, raw damage tends to be preferred, cause is more versatile for multi-monster hunts and requires less investment and risk.

Therefore, the choice of elemental or raw damage may not be the same for every weapon, contrary to Lin claims.

If you want my honest opinion, elemental damage is not very significant for Long Sword, since most of the damage comes from the Spirit Gauge and the Spirit Blade attacks.

[Culex]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Kobi Blade:

If you want my honest opinion, elemental damage is not very significant for Long Sword, since most of the damage comes from the Spirit Gauge and the Spirit Blade attacks.

Yeah this is the same sentiment felt in world/iceborne. While I did make a LS in every element, in the end it boiled down to no meaningful difference for most fights where my higher raw blast LS was most likely doing more on average, with certain exceptions like Alatreon fight.

[Zelph]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Kobi Blade:

The effectiveness of Long Sword with elemental or raw damage may vary depending on the playstyle and the skills of the user.

Elemental damage is more beneficial for fast hitting weapons like dual blades, bow, and charge blade, while raw damage is more preferable for slow hitting weapons like great sword and gunlance.

Other weapons like long sword, switch axe, and hammer can use either elemental or raw damage, depending on the situation and the preference of the user. However, raw damage tends to be preferred, cause is more versatile for multi-monster hunts and requires less investment and risk.

Therefore, the choice of elemental or raw damage may not be the same for every weapon, contrary to Lin claims.

If you want my honest opinion, elemental damage is not very significant for Long Sword, since most of the damage comes from the Spirit Gauge and the Spirit Blade attacks.

That is accurate in games that are not Rise. Rise has far higher elemental damage values. Longsword/swaxe/ and hammer CAN go raw. They aren't to much worse off for it. But optimally, they want element.

[MelvinSmiley]

Just look at the longsword meta set compilation: https://imgur.com/a/TDoqqlt

Most ls meta builds are elemental, blast, poison or raw damage ls sets are niche and used for the few monsters with very bad elemental hitzones like crimson glow valstrax.

[Max]

Raw is better overall for LS, but element is still good for some monsters have high element HZV, it also depend on your moveset (like sakura slash have high element atk)
Check this video:
https://youtu.be/HEet5hyWMmk?si=SRq0miju7OIxGLZf

[Kobi Blade]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Max:

Raw is better overall for LS, but element is still good for some monsters have high element HZV, it also depend on your moveset (like sakura slash have high element atk)
Check this video:
https://youtu.be/HEet5hyWMmk?si=SRq0miju7OIxGLZf

I see a player barely hitting 200 on average with elemental attacks on that video, while I hit near 400 on average with raw, his counters are also half what I do, so not impressed.

Regardless everyone is free to use what they want, what I said still applies.

[Mei]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Kobi Blade:

I see a player barely hitting 200 on average with elemental attacks on that video, while I hit near 400 on average with raw, his counters are also half what I do, so not impressed.

Regardless everyone is free to use what they want, what I said still applies.

Unless your raw weapon has double the damage of an elemental one, you are full of it.

[Kobi Blade]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Mei:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Kobi Blade:

I see a player barely hitting 200 on average with elemental attacks on that video, while I hit near 400 on average with raw, his counters are also half what I do, so not impressed.

Regardless everyone is free to use what they want, what I said still applies.

Unless your raw weapon has double the damage of an elemental one, you are full of it.

I really not concerned over what you believe, there more than enough videos online of people using raw LS and getting similar values to mine.

[Max]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Kobi Blade:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Max:

Raw is better overall for LS, but element is still good for some monsters have high element HZV, it also depend on your moveset (like sakura slash have high element atk)
Check this video:
https://youtu.be/HEet5hyWMmk?si=SRq0miju7OIxGLZf

I see a player barely hitting 200 on average with elemental attacks on that video, while I hit near 400 on average with raw, his counters are also half what I do, so not impressed.

Regardless everyone is free to use what they want, what I said still applies.

Peppo armor don't use qurious augment so the dmg maybe a bit low. I share the clip just about his opinion about which element/raw LS good to use, ppl feel free to use it or not.

[Rinny]

Elemental is bis for every single weapon in rise
Its sadly the reverse of world where raw was best for like 90% of weapons now its elemental for everything have fun making 5 dif sets for every weapon

[Zelph]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Rinny:

Elemental is bis for every single weapon in rise
Its sadly the reverse of world where raw was best for like 90% of weapons now its elemental for everything have fun making 5 dif sets for every weapon

You have tons of rooms for sets. Also, the sets don't really have to use different armor. Just change the slots slightly and you are good.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Kobi Blade:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Mei:

Unless your raw weapon has double the damage of an elemental one, you are full of it.

I really not concerned over what you believe, there more than enough videos online of people using raw LS and getting similar values to mine.

Source please.

Watched a few speed runs, literally everyone is using elemental, even against ♥♥♥♥ like astalos. Even tested damage myself with just the standard overhead swing against pukei, thunder hit a bit harder then Full raw tiggy(highest raw LS). That isn't even factoring in the other boosts that I could be getting from mail of hell fire or strike among other things.

[Feralwarlord]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Zelph:

Watched a few speed runs, literally everyone is using elemental, even against ♥♥♥♥ like astalos. Even tested damage myself with just the standard overhead swing against pukei, thunder hit a bit harder then Full raw tiggy(highest raw LS). That isn't even factoring in the other boosts that I could be getting from mail of hell fire or strike among other things.

To my knowledge endgame raw builds use status weapons to take advantage of buildup boost. I can't really comment on LS specifically though.

[Echo2Omega]

The difference between raw and elemental is pretty small.

The only builds that languish a bit are status builds because of how resistance works. But even then...

Capcom did a really great job making pretty much any build a viable option all the way through the end game in rise.

Unlike world where there are VERY clear winners.