They removed it yet?

[Lightning]

I'm blocking MHR from updating until Enigma gets removed. They reversed the update with Revelations when they got enough backlash, have they done it here, yet, or is it here to stay this time?

[JellifiShugo]

Didnt they only reverse the revelations update because it broke some of the stuff in the game, not because of backlash? and say they were gonna re-add it later?

[Lightning]

Well, from what I can tell Enigma has broken Rise, as well. And even so, unlike Denuvo the company behind it is incredibly shady and the whole thing looks suspiciously like malware.

If they aren't gonna remove it, I might as well uninstall the game and hope they don't ever add it to World.

[CheeseBoar]

Are you playing on Windows or the Steam Deck/Linux? From what I've read, only Linux had issues with the update, and Valve fixed that with the latest version of Proton, both on the Deck and on Linux desktops/laptops. It's stupid that Capcom has gone all in on Enigma, and I absolutely support everyone who's asking for a refund when this was added after they already bought the game, but it's still better than Denuvo tying a game's ability to even function to a server.

Originally posted by Lightning:

unlike Denuvo the company behind it is incredibly shady

I would absolutely call Irdeto shady, as well. Every time a company says something negative about Denuvo, a Denuvo spokesperson tries to belittle the comment, sometimes with language that could be considered threatening, in Humankind's case.

[Cocarum]

Originally posted by Lightning:

I'm blocking MHR from updating until Enigma gets removed. They reversed the update with Revelations when they got enough backlash, have they done it here, yet, or is it here to stay this time?

It's safe.

[Lightning]

Originally posted by Cocarum:

Originally posted by Lightning:

I'm blocking MHR from updating until Enigma gets removed. They reversed the update with Revelations when they got enough backlash, have they done it here, yet, or is it here to stay this time?

It's safe.

From what I've seen people saying (And I even have a friend who works in IT) Enigma constantly studies data on your PC (Including stuff not related to the game it's tied to) and sends it all back to some master server, and that the "DRM" itself is poorly coded and can easily be exploited to infect your PC, and can collect data on you on behalf of the Russian government if it so much as told it to.

[Lightning]

Originally posted by CheeseBoar:

Are you playing on Windows or the Steam Deck/Linux? From what I've read, only Linux had issues with the update, and Valve fixed that with the latest version of Proton, both on the Deck and on Linux desktops/laptops. It's stupid that Capcom has gone all in on Enigma, and I absolutely support everyone who's asking for a refund when this was added after they already bought the game, but it's still better than Denuvo tying a game's ability to even function to a server.

Originally posted by Lightning:

unlike Denuvo the company behind it is incredibly shady

I would absolutely call Irdeto shady, as well. Every time a company says something negative about Denuvo, a Denuvo spokesperson tries to belittle the comment, sometimes with language that could be considered threatening, in Humankind's case.

Denuvo is at least widely known and we know for a fact that it isn't as open to being abused by outside parties, it's still a god awful DRM but it's at least one you know isn't spying in damn near everything you do.

[Cocarum]

Originally posted by Lightning:

Originally posted by Cocarum:

It's safe.

From what I've seen people saying (And I even have a friend who works in IT) Enigma constantly studies data on your PC (Including stuff not related to the game it's tied to) and sends it all back to some master server, and that the "DRM" itself is poorly coded and can easily be exploited to infect your PC, and can collect data on you on behalf of the Russian government if it so much as told it to.

Nah, it's just a fake thing written on a Twitter post. This game it's safe but if you dont want to play it because you are scared you can uninstall.

[Chris]

I want to play, but it won't launch since the update. I don't have any mods installed and I've followed everything in the support message, it just refuses to start.

I'd say they broke it - even if it's not broken on every owner's PC, it's still unacceptable in my opinion.

[Nyx]

Originally posted by Lightning:

Originally posted by Cocarum:

It's safe.

From what I've seen people saying (And I even have a friend who works in IT) Enigma constantly studies data on your PC (Including stuff not related to the game it's tied to) and sends it all back to some master server

If you use Windows then your PC is already doing that as has been doing it for years.

[howmuchkeefe]

Originally posted by Lightning:

Well, from what I can tell Enigma has broken Rise, as well. And even so, unlike Denuvo the company behind it is incredibly shady and the whole thing looks suspiciously like malware.

If they aren't gonna remove it, I might as well uninstall the game and hope they don't ever add it to World.

That's what I ended up doing. I'm keeping my fingers crossed in the hope Capcom reverses course.

Originally posted by Metallinatus:

Originally posted by Lightning:

From what I've seen people saying (And I even have a friend who works in IT) Enigma constantly studies data on your PC (Including stuff not related to the game it's tied to) and sends it all back to some master server

If you use Windows then your PC is already doing that as has been doing it for years.

I trust Microsoft more than some Russian nobody running a DRM outfit from his garage. Same for Steam. I wonder why people seem to think this particular argument is effective at all. Capcom's behavior is indefensible.

[Nyx]

Originally posted by howmuchkeefe:

Originally posted by Metallinatus:

If you use Windows then your PC is already doing that as has been doing it for years.

I trust Microsoft more than some Russian nobody running a DRM outfit from his garage. Same for Steam. I wonder why people seem to think this particular argument is effective at all. Capcom's behavior is indefensible.

Well, because I don't trust Microsoft at all, the second richest company in the world, which has done more than just a few shady things in the past. Windows itself is a big malware that is always pinging home.

[evilmajikman]

Sad thing is I can't even launch the game in offline mode. It tells me to play it online and then quits out. Yeah, I'm not buying Capcom games anymore.

[jonathan testicle]

Originally posted by Lightning:

Originally posted by Cocarum:

It's safe.

From what I've seen people saying (And I even have a friend who works in IT) Enigma constantly studies data on your PC (Including stuff not related to the game it's tied to) and sends it all back to some master server, and that the "DRM" itself is poorly coded and can easily be exploited to infect your PC, and can collect data on you on behalf of the Russian government if it so much as told it to.

yeah i'm gonna need a reliable source for this one

[Rei]

Originally posted by jonathan testicle:

Originally posted by Lightning:

From what I've seen people saying (And I even have a friend who works in IT) Enigma constantly studies data on your PC (Including stuff not related to the game it's tied to) and sends it all back to some master server, and that the "DRM" itself is poorly coded and can easily be exploited to infect your PC, and can collect data on you on behalf of the Russian government if it so much as told it to.

yeah i'm gonna need a reliable source for this one

Enigma is, just as Denuvo, a "Kernel based Anti-Cheat DRM Software".
As it is Kernel-based, it could send just about any information it wants about what happens on your PC.
The main problem is; Denuvo is already an established DRM and people know exactly what it does.
Enigma is basically unknown russian middleware. They could take just about whatever they want without you knowing. The real problem is, that they come out of nowhere, their software costs $400 to acquire, which is chump-change for a company like Capcom, and nobody knows what exactly it does, only that has to be installed on your PC with Kernel access for you to be allowed to play your previously purchased games.

[Lightning]

Originally posted by Rei:

Originally posted by jonathan testicle:

yeah i'm gonna need a reliable source for this one

Enigma is, just as Denuvo, a "Kernel based Anti-Cheat DRM Software".
As it is Kernel-based, it could send just about any information it wants about what happens on your PC.
The main problem is; Denuvo is already an established DRM and people know exactly what it does.
Enigma is basically unknown russian middleware. They could take just about whatever they want without you knowing. The real problem is, that they come out of nowhere, their software costs $400 to acquire, which is chump-change for a company like Capcom, and nobody knows what exactly it does, only that has to be installed on your PC with Kernel access for you to be allowed to play your previously purchased games.

And unless it gets removed, or until we get clear-cut, transparent, confirmed and reliable information as to what it does, who it is sending our data to and that it isn't breaching people's privacy and potentially exposing personal information to anyone who decides to tamper with it, I won't play any games that have it tied to them.