Why isnt hunting horn support?

[Gentle Giant]

everyone is talking about sns, lbg, and hbg being support but why does no one talk about the hunting horn support? (you know the weapon that is SUPPOSED to be support)

[FafnirChaos]

Hmmm why does it matter what people are talking about. You know the twin followers use HH's and from what I understand they are the most used followers.

[Ittrix]

Because hunting horn players don't like being called support.

If I'm nerfed for one more game because of group buffs, I SWEAR.

[JPM岩]

Originally posted by FafnirChaos:

Hmmm why does it matter what people are talking about. You know the twin followers use HH's and from what I understand they are the most used followers.

Theyre used for followers because followers do only like, 2% of the damage during a quest. so buffing the player is their only real function.

Originally posted by Gentle Giant:

everyone is talking about sns, lbg, and hbg being support but why does no one talk about the hunting horn support? (you know the weapon that is SUPPOSED to be support)

HH was never designed to be the support weapon, it was a hammer that could buff itself, and coincidentally, buff others.

[Remi]

There's no "supports" in this game, everyone does damage and damage only. I mean it doesn't really matter now that Hunting Horn is ruined forever but just to clarify. Most "support" players I had the dubious honor of playing with (mostly in World, not that many in Rise) carted very frequently on top of dealing no damage.

[TyresTyco]

Originally posted by Remi:

. I mean it doesn't really matter now that Hunting Horn is ruined forever but just to clarify.

I dont play doot horn a lot so I dunno about the most efficient playstyle there and how good the weapon itself is.

But why is ruined now ?

[Ittrix]

Originally posted by TyresTyco:

Originally posted by Remi:

. I mean it doesn't really matter now that Hunting Horn is ruined forever but just to clarify.

I dont play doot horn a lot so I dunno about the most efficient playstyle there and how good the weapon itself is.

But why is ruined now ?

Old hunting horn used to be awesomely methodical and rewarding. You had to memorize full 4 note songs and find a way to bop the monster in the face with those 4 notes in order to play it. Commonly you were balancing using the best damaging combos and using the combos that would let you play what songs you wanted. There were even more moves that let you quickly sneak in a second note of your choice. In generations they added double notes for awhile that encouraged you to hit the monster *and* get the notes out at the same time, since it'd play the song twice at once.

They changed it because not a lot of people played hunting horn, but in changing it they killed hunting horn for everyone who liked what it was.
Even the silkbind change that let's you use old hunting horn comes nowhere close with all the changes they made. :/

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by Gentle Giant:

Why isnt hunting horn support?
everyone is talking about sns, lbg, and hbg being support but why does no one talk about the hunting horn support? (you know the weapon that is SUPPOSED to be support)

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2841480014
You do not need to play Hunting Horn to support. But it can give superior support.

[Adalon]

Originally posted by Ittrix:

Originally posted by TyresTyco:

I dont play doot horn a lot so I dunno about the most efficient playstyle there and how good the weapon itself is.

But why is ruined now ?

Old hunting horn used to be awesomely methodical and rewarding. You had to memorize full 4 note songs and find a way to bop the monster in the face with those 4 notes in order to play it. Commonly you were balancing using the best damaging combos and using the combos that would let you play what songs you wanted. There were even more moves that let you quickly sneak in a second note of your choice. In generations they added double notes for awhile that encouraged you to hit the monster *and* get the notes out at the same time, since it'd play the song twice at once.

They changed it because not a lot of people played hunting horn, but in changing it they killed hunting horn for everyone who liked what it was.
Even the silkbind change that let's you use old hunting horn comes nowhere close with all the changes they made. :/

this 100%.

First time I've not touched horn since 3U personally. I was initially excited for the HH changes, but in the end it was a huge let down. What I found completely hilarious is they then went and nerfed the re-worked horn's damage so they lost all the band wagoners who were happy about the new strong weapon AND lost many of the old HH players.

[Ittrix]

I don't *hate* new hunting horn, but I wish it was it's own separate weapon. I've seen a violin concept get thrown around a lot.

[Squelch]

People don't like to consider it a support weapon because of the fact that it does comparable damage to other weapons and building it any other way is generally a waste of its ability- plus because of the self improvement buff you don't usually see much benefit to putting away your weapon so stopping to pop a wide range potion is usually less useful than knocking out the monster.

[Milkie]

I main Hunting Horn and I don't go full support with Wide Range. I treat it as off-support. The healing it does is very negligible anyway - it might save you like one in twenty times but ultimately it can't be relied on as a healing support. The buffs are always welcome though, nobody's ever gonna turn those down.

The only thing that's "full" support in this game is Wide Range. Everything else becomes more situational and is limited in its effect. In this game, the best thing to rely on is yourself.

[SotiCoto]

Originally posted by Gentle Giant:

everyone is talking about sns, lbg, and hbg being support

No, they aren't.
As in no, nobody is "talking about" that, and no the weapons aren't support. So doubly no.

[AnemoneMeer]

Simple answer OP, when you pick HH, you're going to build for damage/stuns/etc. You're not a support build, you're simply using a weapon that contains inherent party buffs.

When you pick another weapon, going support is a choice you have to make in your skills and loadout, which means you have to make sacrifices. Not all weapons can make those sacrifices equally well.

Amusingly, Hunting Horn is not great at making those sacrifices. It can't use items with it out like S&S. It doesn't build Quick Sheathe inherently like LS. It has its own proprietary skill to eat slot space. It is constrained by sharpness unlike bowguns. It often runs stun skills because of blunt damage. You just don't have the slots to casually fit Wide Range & Free Meal without serious sacrifice. Which is made all the worse by the fact your dootmallet is already capable of helping people so why not just doot.

[Ccrack]

the only support hunting horn id consider to actually be support is one with sharpness regeneration. the rest are just nice buffs to have

[Toxi]

If only they made bead of resonance good, then HH could have stayed both a strong weapon and given out strong heals.. because that thing they did with double heals from bead was cool, but it's just a shame that BoR just sucks so much anyway. ^^

As it is now though, it's more or less the same as it was in World and probably before that too, you treat it as a weapon that gives you buffs, not as a support class, but like others said we do have some interesting songs, like sharpness regen, it's just a shame that this wasn't extended the way it could've been, like having 4 songs and possibily combinations of that with sharpness extension.

Something like Sonic Barrier can be very interesting, it's like a potentially permanent Rocksteady buff, but it's also a pretty big skill check which is why few people probably run it on random or even solo hunts. This one is where a pre-made group is definitely a requirement.