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The guides are out-of-date and rely on older versions of the game to operate.
The source of the problem from what I understand isn't actually the save data in the strictest sense. It's the meta-data. A subset of data that seems, right now, to operate as a one time use pass code that connects your account to the games memory, architecture and storage. The problem is, is that same memory storage is in fact shared and operated on by the anti-hacker, anti-cheater encryption software that Capcom implemented.
For whatever reason, when you play the game, you end up with what seemingly amounts to a limited time use of your save file. I don't now all the details, but it appears the new meta-data encryption method associated with there attempts to quell hackers and cheaters, can sometimes bug out and/or glitch, which results in the entire file seemingly being corrupted. When this happens, the system not only will not read your file, but any past associated files in any relation at all with the corrupted ones won't work either. Why? Because the system isn't actually reading your save data, it's just exclusively reading the meta-data associated with it. That's why your save file won't work with the game, and meta-data isn't something you can just access and manipulate.
The thing is, the code that comprises the meta-data is one that seems to be systemically tied to, I think, your account number on steam and the products number, and with a two factor authentication process so that you have the code and Capcom does, too. You can't play the game exclusively offline, and this maybe the reason why. So you can't copy the game and sell it, or illegally modify the system to your advantage.
Capcom haven't seemed to figure this problem out yet on their own either. Or seem to be aware of it at all for that matter. And, while I hate everything about these circumstances with every fiber of my being, it behooves me to admit the only real thing you and others can do is go to your library, go to the games slot in your library, look on the tabs and look all the way to the end and click on the support button. There you should get options for help, and it should let you send a service request or support letter to development.
This is all I can really do here. Sorry that this is such a drag. And now, your not alone.
"Mod" users in general affected by this.
Not even. I'm a heavy cosmetic mods user and have had no issues, and I've also regularly played on both my PC and my Steam Deck.
One of the more common issues stem from an error with Steam Cloud synchronization. Or, when it happened to my buddy, his save was still very obviously present in the Risebreak save directory and the game was able to read it after he restarted his PC. Rise uses a form of encryption that ties the save to the account that created it, and sometimes restarting Steam is all that's necessary to fix said issue.
When I started playing, it wasn't for "friends" or "mods", it was because of experience. Because I had put in the hours on World, and loved it. I wanted to get more experience with other monsters. I wanted get to now, to love, and yes, to hate, the many monsters that have cropped up through out the history of the franchise.
You see, I am an average Joe, and this is what I want you lot to remember. Because it WILL be the first thing you forget when making any argument. I never play with mods if it can be helped.
So, when 6 months ago I say my save file corrupted on it's own sporadically without any warning, you can be sure I was left dumbfounded. I searched the web, guides and what not. Found the answer, that it was a well known problem, and began to apply the methods accordingly. Took a little time to figure out but I got it. Save file fixed.
Then, a few days later, it happens again, I figured out that the amount of time you sink into any one session of the game can affect the corruptibility of the file, I guess? So I just start taking shorter sessions. For awhile, that worked. But then the corruptions came back again.
Near the end of January was the killing blow. After some new updates had been implemented, the save files stopped responding. I did as the guides said, even uninstalled and reinstalled. Still nothing. My file was lost. 200 hours, gone down the drain.
So, I figured, why don't I just start up a new file then? So I did. 60 hours in, game crashes again, only this time, nothing from the guides worked. I checked online. One Reddit user (who I take MUST now a thing or 2 about programming), suggested that it was a code reading error that was screwing up the files meta-data. I can only surmise then, that if the system then requires this meta-data, and that it needs to be always online, this wasn't just a problem on the users end. Capcom must have a means of authenticating an account and product by user to officialize usage. And that is were I got the idea that it must be the meta-data and from there the anti-hacker, anti-cheater software. So if it is a problem like that, then it means that this isn't a problem anyone can just solve. It is an inherent flaw within the games architecture. Even when you want the to play the game offline, you still have to be online to play it. Meaning, then, that Capcom must be using this authentication to bar any and all tampering, even if it is a glitch and/or bug within or caused by the system itself.
It is kind of weird though, when you think about it. Because sending in user reports are supposed to help, and that is the only thing we can really do. But isn't redundant? When looking through the files of the game, you will notice a Bug reporting program and cache for such files in the game file directory. So then, one has to wonder why then a problem like this has gone unaddressed by developers already? If they are getting crash reports from dedicated files and architecture within the system, then why haven't they communicated with the rest of the community of the problems persistence? Do we, as the customers, have to file official complaints directly to them to get them to notice this problem? Have they become so desensitized to their own client base that they will only take the customers word seriously if we all spell it out for them in triplicate?
Honestly, I don't now anymore, so I stopped playing. I had hoped that Wild Hearts would be worth it, but I am glad I didn't put any real investment into that shipwreck of a dumpster fire, for a lot of reasons.
I got the error despite never installing ANY mods.
Edit: I also emailed Capcom, and they basically said, eh nothing we can do. I did manage to get my save file back. From what I've read, this is a Steam problem not a Capcom problem. I could be wrong though.
"Usually the save error occurs when theres a communication issue between the cloud and the local files. Could be a hiccup in traffic, internet going down for a moment, etc. Capcom cant change anything because Steam basically can unintentionally screw up the files. The "cannot find save" or save even missing is Steam being unable to follow the file path correctly."
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2743342837
No, that and others like it do not work for this problem, period.
They are a dead end for this.
In fact, they would be the ones I have just described to all. That they used to work, but stopped.
Also, it appears near the end of that guide that the one who made the guide does indeed acknowledge to some extent the nature of this problem. That it is not something even they can solve and would only be possible to fix from Capcoms end. This may very well be the same problem I am alluding to here. But be that as it may, it doesn't help that this problem has gone unaddressed for almost 2 years now. And that the community puts it down as a trivial problem AND that it still goes unresolved doesn't help matters, either.
Point is, everyone KNOWS steam cloud is broken, and this problem still persists WITHOUT it. And Capcom now that all of this exists. But there is a lack of clear transparency for how well they are getting on in fixing it. And it is hurtful, as well as insulting, when they don't go about addressing a problem like this directly with the community. Because otherwise, people like us get ignored and pushed out of both the conversation and community for what is consider to be a very niche problem. But it IS still a problem.
If you mix up truth and false information, what you get is what you got. In your statements there is too much mixed up, making it not worth to discuss. Though you repeated it often enough that I feel I need to correct your misunderstanding:
1. the guide IS up to date as I put plenty of efforts into it as long as I am playing MHR myself - affected players can recover their save games as described correctly, even right now as long as the conditions are met
2. read the post I have posted a while ago - if the problem is as big as you make it sound, people would have contacted properly Capcom and have it fixed already; as it takes less than two weeks for a similar issue to be addressed https://steamcommunity.com/app/1446780/discussions/0/3757726349620421934/ a similar workaround might be applicable on PC or at least proper information to prevent it
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1446780/discussions/0/3829787744080600424/
I have steam cloud turned off for all my games, this guide worked for me
addressing these issues depend on the community too, many only rant on steam and won't go further.
capcom won't start fixing something if there are only a few hundred people are affected by it while they sold millions of copies, which means millions of user had no issue with the game.
you can also quickly damage a brand by adressing such stuff if stupid lawyers get involved and people trying to get refunds instead of allowing the company to fix the issue. next time they learned their lesson and simply keep saying there is no issue. honesty isn't always rewarded in this world. on the other hand the customer with the save issue might also think twice about buying a future capcom product.
Your right, absolutely right.
After all, I don't now anything.
That is why I took YOUR advice.
I apologize for my disillusionment. It wasn't nice or right of me to let my feelings of inadequacy to blind me from the truth of the matter. Which plainly is I now nothing.
BUT, you hold partial responsibility for these matters, too.
It is true, that while attempting to research this problem, I gleaned a modicum of insight from a Reddit user concerning the "meta-data". However, the part about contacting Capcom through it's support page, that was all you.
All I am guilty of is the feeling of being shut out and cast aside for a problem that does persist, but is not acknowledged by, the community as a problem that in general new folks CAN suffer from. That it is a problem ONLY modders can suffer from. And that because of these things, I wanted to at least offer a comfort in knowing that these people aren't alone. But for ALL these things, yes, I acknowledge my error, and formally apologize.
I would humbly like to ask a question though, just to clarify.
It concerns the "Hidden Architecture" section of your guide under the sub-heading "Additional Information".
This part seems rather new to me. So I would like to ask, has this part been recently added, within like say, the past 3 to 4 months? Just out of curiosity.
>I don't *know anything
>It's partially your fault anyway
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You need humbling chief. You are guilty of plenty more.
If you really paid attention to my guides as you mentioned in another thread "of them all being outdated", which is incorrect, you would know that the part you are inquiring is one of the oldest. I have discussed and explained it several times in the past in threads and throughout my guides, how the issue is observed and what can be done to prevent it.
Hence the strong indicators that it is unlikely caused by the game but by the framework around it.
You demanding Capcom to fix it is like asking a car manufacturer to prevent their cars from crashing when the drivers are drunk. They can only do so much. Take a page from how they handle it for Playstation and compare the information properly.
I will also happily concede further if you can show us and link a recent report from Capcom to the community about not only all the latest bug fixes for PC, but also a disclosure into known issues, specifically as is related with the "Hidden Architecture" if at all possible. For posterity's sake at the very least.
Forgive me for allowing my heart and mind to grow clouded with both frustration, fear and disillusionment. The lens of negativity can obscure ones vision of even the most important details. And for this, I am sorry. Please, forgive me...