Endgame is boring

[Goonbag]

So the only endgame thing to really do is anomaly investigations, extremely repetitive and tedious. Grind until 220 or what ever. I think I'm 180, I just quit for a while because the endgame is not engaging. It's just grind and repeat. At least MHW had endgame diversity.

[Valentine (Lunaticus)]

Originally posted by PigeonOfTheAbyss:

Joining random people isn't an endgame. Especially since a big part of the player base either plays alone or with friends.

Yes it is. Why wouldn't it be? How is it any different from joining random AR investigations? Edit: and the multiplayer/solo part has literally nothing to do with it. Sounds like you just picked that one thing so you don't have to actually address any of the issue I brought up.

[PigeonOfTheAbyss]

Originally posted by Valentine (Lunaticus):

Originally posted by PigeonOfTheAbyss:

Joining random people isn't an endgame. Especially since a big part of the player base either plays alone or with friends.

Yes it is. Why wouldn't it be? How is it any different from joining random AR investigations? Edit: and the multiplayer/solo part has literally nothing to do with it. Sounds like you just picked that one thing so you don't have to actually address any of the issue I brought up.

Because we are talking about what the optimal endgame grind is to get the best gear. In MHW case it was spamming either 1 event quest like temp Zinogre, temp Ruiner nerg or Kulve/Safi if you need their weapons. You were playing the game normally. Which is fine, i speedran for a bit just for fun, while i still got decos speedrunning its not what i would concider an endgame. A good Endgame would usually be the most optimal while still offering variety. Anomaly checks both of those, you get to fight random monsters with buffed stats (like world investigation you SOSd for) while still being optimal. And again, i cant speak for MP since i either play solo or with a group of friends, like most people i know in the MH sphere.

[DaBa]

Yeah, I don't ever want to see SOS flares of any system like that make a comeback ever again. It completely ruined multiplayer culture of Monster Hunter. Instead of hubs with people who played the game together for extended periods of time and actually interacted with each other like a party would, you clicked a button and you got some randos that would drop in and leave right after without any interaction.

You might as well play with NPCs, actually I probably would rather play with NPCs from Rise than random players since those have way more personality... So, no SOS flares. Just gathering hub and small, cozy lobbies for people to play together and socialize like in the old games where multiplayer was actually a fun and unique experience.

[Popcorn]

Originally posted by Valentine (Lunaticus):

Originally posted by PigeonOfTheAbyss:

Joining random people isn't an endgame. Especially since a big part of the player base either plays alone or with friends.

Yes it is. Why wouldn't it be? How is it any different from joining random AR investigations? Edit: and the multiplayer/solo part has literally nothing to do with it. Sounds like you just picked that one thing so you don't have to actually address any of the issue I brought up.

Difference is: when youre playing solo, it means no interactions, no ♥♥♥♥ ups, no liability, just play with NPCs, seriously.
When playing with friends, you're fooling around and actually INTERACTING with one another, not just playing with NPCs

Anyways, YOU are the one complaining about "your" endgame, not the actual endgame itself (AR grinding, AR parts, curios crafting, talisman grinding, etc)

[PigeonOfTheAbyss]

Btw im not trying to say here rise endgame is perfect. If you simply just play for fun without trying to get good gear fast, most MH games are really good with that. But for a lot of people the endgame provides the best gear or the best way to obtain that gear, and that is where previous MH fell short, because they did not reward random investigations but rather a set amount of 3-4 quests that were optimal and some times so optimal that you would obtain better gear multiple times faster than just doing normal quests.

We also have to be realistic tho. Only a small percentage of people (id wager a tenth of the playerbase at most) are playing the endgame, its like that in every non MMO game, they cant justify just adding an endgame system that provides original content for thousands of hours, thats just not realistic any way you look at it. The best they can do and what they have been trying to do is provide ways to make hunting the same monsters yield satisfying rewards and make them more challenging. Rise isn't perfect in that regard but its IMO the best weve gotten so far, if they maybe incoporate a bigger and better guiding lands with a good investigation system and maybe if they find the time add just a few minor changes to the powerd up monsters (like the lucent narga quest where he got like 1-2 slightly diffrent moves and was a bit more agressive) thats honestly the best we could realisticly ask for.

[Washing Machine]

I don't know what World you played, I remember doing the same Tempered Elders over and over to try to get a rare af weapon augment stone off them for ages. And I didn't even have options but to do the few elders in the game. Until Kulve event started for the week again and then we grinded that for miniscule % of RNG instead.

I vastly prefer Iceborne and this endgame because it gives me reason to fight most every monster in the roster again, without just steamrolling them in a minute. Plus the drop rates are fairly guaranteed.

[Valentine (Lunaticus)]

Originally posted by PigeonOfTheAbyss:

Because we are talking about what the optimal endgame grind is to get the best gear.

That's you. I'm not defining end game the same way you are.

Originally posted by PigeonOfTheAbyss:

In MHW case it was spamming either 1 event quest like temp Zinogre, temp Ruiner nerg or Kulve/Safi if you need their weapons. You were playing the game normally. Which is fine, i speedran for a bit just for fun, while i still got decos speedrunning its not what i would concider an endgame. A good Endgame would usually be the most optimal while still offering variety.

And you got those decos even if you weren't doing very specific kind of quests. That's the difference with World, you didn't HAVE to do those very specific kind of boring quests. That's why the end game grind isn't so limited in World, while it is in this game.

Originally posted by PigeonOfTheAbyss:

Anomaly checks both of those, you get to fight random monsters with buffed stats (like world investigation you SOSd for) while still being optimal. And again, i cant speak for MP since i either play solo or with a group of friends, like most people i know in the MH sphere.

But it doesn't offer good variety. It's the same repetitive formula again, and again, and again. I addressed the problems with AR in my original response to you, which you dismissed because you disagreed with my definition of end game. Go ahead and respond to that if you're gonna bring this stuff up.

[PigeonOfTheAbyss]

Originally posted by Valentine (Lunaticus):

Originally posted by PigeonOfTheAbyss:

Because we are talking about what the optimal endgame grind is to get the best gear.

That's you. I'm not defining end game the same way you are.

Originally posted by PigeonOfTheAbyss:

In MHW case it was spamming either 1 event quest like temp Zinogre, temp Ruiner nerg or Kulve/Safi if you need their weapons. You were playing the game normally. Which is fine, i speedran for a bit just for fun, while i still got decos speedrunning its not what i would concider an endgame. A good Endgame would usually be the most optimal while still offering variety. [/quote]
And you got those decos even if you weren't doing very specific kind of quests. That's the difference with World, you didn't HAVE to do those very specific kind of boring quests. That's why the end game grind isn't so limited in World, while it is in this game.

Originally posted by PigeonOfTheAbyss:

Anomaly checks both of those, you get to fight random monsters with buffed stats (like world investigation you SOSd for) while still being optimal. And again, i cant speak for MP since i either play solo or with a group of friends, like most people i know in the MH sphere. [/quote]
But it doesn't offer good variety. It's the same repetitive formula again, and again, and again. I addressed the problems with AR in my original response to you, which you dismissed because you disagreed with my definition of end game. Go ahead and respond to that if you're gonna bring this stuff up. [/quote]
Well then we simply disagree on our defintion on what an endgame is. Also the variety is that you get to fight every monster in the game because investigations are randomized. Its like MHW investigations just that you have an actual reason to do them. If you dont care at all about efficiency then i can see why MHW would have the more appealing endgame for you, however we simply disagree on what an endgame is. An endgame for me (and many others in the community) not only has to offer variety in letting us fight all the monsters but also be incentivised by being the best option for getting the best gear.

[PigeonOfTheAbyss]

Originally posted by Valentine (Lunaticus):

Originally posted by PigeonOfTheAbyss:

Because we are talking about what the optimal endgame grind is to get the best gear.

That's you. I'm not defining end game the same way you are.

Originally posted by PigeonOfTheAbyss:

In MHW case it was spamming either 1 event quest like temp Zinogre, temp Ruiner nerg or Kulve/Safi if you need their weapons. You were playing the game normally. Which is fine, i speedran for a bit just for fun, while i still got decos speedrunning its not what i would concider an endgame. A good Endgame would usually be the most optimal while still offering variety. [/quote]
And you got those decos even if you weren't doing very specific kind of quests. That's the difference with World, you didn't HAVE to do those very specific kind of boring quests. That's why the end game grind isn't so limited in World, while it is in this game.

Originally posted by PigeonOfTheAbyss:

Anomaly checks both of those, you get to fight random monsters with buffed stats (like world investigation you SOSd for) while still being optimal. And again, i cant speak for MP since i either play solo or with a group of friends, like most people i know in the MH sphere. [/quote]
But it doesn't offer good variety. It's the same repetitive formula again, and again, and again. I addressed the problems with AR in my original response to you, which you dismissed because you disagreed with my definition of end game. Go ahead and respond to that if you're gonna bring this stuff up. [/quote]

Also i feel like we have different views on what variety in a MH game is, for me its hunting different monsters, i dont care that much about the structure of the quest, 1-2-3 monsters doesent really matter as long as i get to fight the full roster (or close to it) and not just a few endgame ones. Map and monster variety is the only things i look out for in a quest

[Popcorn]

These quote comments are hurting my eyes...

[Valentine (Lunaticus)]

WTF happened there. Feel free to remake that post without any quotes at all if that helps, but holy ♥♥♥♥ man. Also did you make 2 different posts? I'm not even going to try to read these. Or just use the quotation marks, just anything but this.

As a tip, just copy paste the part where it says my name, you know, the "quote bar", that's the start of the quote, and then just paste/write the "[/quote]" part at the end of what I said. Do that for every part you wish to quote and it'll work. If the whole post gets quoted, then you probably missed one "[/quote]" somewhere.

[PigeonOfTheAbyss]

Originally posted by Valentine (Lunaticus):

WTF happened there. Feel free to remake that post without any quotes at all if that helps, but holy ♥♥♥♥ man. Also did you make 2 different posts? I'm not even going to try to read these. Or just use the quotation marks, just anything but this.

As a tip, just copy paste the part where it says my name, you know, the "quote bar", that's the start of the quote, and then just paste/write the "

" part at the end of what I said. Do that for every part you wish to quote and it'll work. If the whole post gets quoted, then you probably missed one "[/quote]" somewhere. [/quote]
Your post was the first to look like that :^ I dont know if its a problem with steam

[Pook and Pie]

The end game is fine. It could be better, less grindy, but truth be told I thought that even with 4U's GQ system. If you're getting more powerful and are getting better at the game, it doesn't matter that the monsters have more health (especially when you have those bursts that do % of their health as damage). Anomaly 201+ Seething Bazel will still go down in under 5 minutes if you whip out your ice CB or piercing ice bow and go to town.

I actually loathed the sieges in World and find the anomaly system a more rewarding version of 4U's guild quest system (because let's be real: You weren't getting that phenomenal relic that was better than a craftable weapon in 4U. It just wasn't happening, especially for IG lol), where monsters had inflated health, damage, and speed.

I don't see what's better about running 1 monster over and over again for rewards (Safi, Kulve) vs running any monster with enhanced health, damage, and speed (140 Apex GQs, Anomaly). I just don't see what's so bad about the current endgame system when 4U was hailed for years as having the best endgame. I guess I could use Rajang throwing planet-sized rocks at me again, though I'm super glad wystones don't exist here.

[Popcorn]

Originally posted by Valentine (Lunaticus):

Originally posted by PigeonOfTheAbyss:

Because we are talking about what the optimal endgame grind is to get the best gear.

That's you. I'm not defining end game the same way you are.

Originally posted by PigeonOfTheAbyss:

In MHW case it was spamming either 1 event quest like temp Zinogre, temp Ruiner nerg or Kulve/Safi if you need their weapons. You were playing the game normally. Which is fine, i speedran for a bit just for fun, while i still got decos speedrunning its not what i would concider an endgame. A good Endgame would usually be the most optimal while still offering variety. [/quote]
And you got those decos even if you weren't doing very specific kind of quests. That's the difference with World, you didn't HAVE to do those very specific kind of boring quests. That's why the end game grind isn't so limited in World, while it is in this game.

Originally posted by PigeonOfTheAbyss:

Anomaly checks both of those, you get to fight random monsters with buffed stats (like world investigation you SOSd for) while still being optimal. And again, i cant speak for MP since i either play solo or with a group of friends, like most people i know in the MH sphere. [/quote]
But it doesn't offer good variety. It's the same repetitive formula again, and again, and again. I addressed the problems with AR in my original response to you, which you dismissed because you disagreed with my definition of end game. Go ahead and respond to that if you're gonna bring this stuff up. [/quote]

Valentine, this was your post...I think you added some [/quote] where it shouldn't be

[Corey]

Originally posted by Good Night Owl:

Originally posted by Corey:

The sieges sucked... forcing coop for MH isn't fun. At least they changed scaling later but I just do not have fun on those hunts. Also RNG gear from them isn't cool either lol. Also the fact that they both aren't available at all times since the support for World ended is just straight up dumb because HR players cant even participate in Safijiva which is part of the rotation until MR.

I agree. I didn't play for the sieges, but I still should mention them. I will say that the later half of the sieges were fun, but it really was a slog to get to those points. That's assuming your team didn't fail, or downright quit before even getting to the fun part.

But are you sure people can't hunt Safi anymore? I haven't played in a while, but shortly before Monster Hunter Rise came out, they just made all monsters available to everyone. I don't recall them just barring monsters.

Safi and Kulve are on a two week timer. Yes, even after the support for World ended like 2 years ago, the timer is still there. Is it dumb as hell? Yes, especially since I think they made every single event quest available all the time minus movie tie in ones because licensing I guess.

Now if you start playing without skipping to MR today, Safi is running so you’re ♥♥♥♥ out of luck until like a week and a half passes from now.