Can Someone Help Me Understand Cutting Tails?

[Eguzky]

I can't seem to find any good info out there.
The most I found, and I'm not sure if it's correct, was someone saying 'To cut off a tail, you need to do the tail's HP in Sever damage. Blunt and Pierce do not contribute.'

IE: If the tail of a monster has 2000 HP, then a Hunter has to do 2000 HP worth of Sever damage regardless of how much Pierce or Blunt damage has been dealt to the tail.
Is this correct?

[Greslus]

Originally posted by Eguzky:

I can't seem to find any good info out there.
The most I found, and I'm not sure if it's correct, was someone saying 'To cut off a tail, you need to do the tail's HP in Sever damage. Blunt and Pierce do not contribute.'

IE: If the tail of a monster has 2000 HP, then a Hunter has to do 2000 HP worth of Sever damage regardless of how much Pierce or Blunt damage has been dealt to the tail.
Is this correct?

You don't necessarily need to do only Slash type damage to it. You can do blunt to reduce the tail HP down. Though the value will be capped at 1 until a Slash type attack do the final hit. You can use your Kunai (the item that is always in your loadout) to finish the job.

[Eguzky]

Originally posted by Greslus:

Originally posted by Eguzky:

I can't seem to find any good info out there.
The most I found, and I'm not sure if it's correct, was someone saying 'To cut off a tail, you need to do the tail's HP in Sever damage. Blunt and Pierce do not contribute.'

IE: If the tail of a monster has 2000 HP, then a Hunter has to do 2000 HP worth of Sever damage regardless of how much Pierce or Blunt damage has been dealt to the tail.
Is this correct?

You don't necessarily need to do only Slash type damage to it. You can do blunt to reduce the tail HP down. Though the value will be capped at 1 until a Slash type attack do the final hit. You can use your Kunai (the item that is always in your loadout) to finish the job.

Thank you :)

[teravisor]

Originally posted by Greslus:

Originally posted by Eguzky:

I can't seem to find any good info out there.
The most I found, and I'm not sure if it's correct, was someone saying 'To cut off a tail, you need to do the tail's HP in Sever damage. Blunt and Pierce do not contribute.'

IE: If the tail of a monster has 2000 HP, then a Hunter has to do 2000 HP worth of Sever damage regardless of how much Pierce or Blunt damage has been dealt to the tail.
Is this correct?

You don't necessarily need to do only Slash type damage to it. You can do blunt to reduce the tail HP down. Though the value will be capped at 1 until a Slash type attack do the final hit. You can use your Kunai (the item that is always in your loadout) to finish the job.

Wrong. A best way to understand it is to install a popular DPS meter, it has parts durability listed. Durability of tail for cutting never decreased from blunt attacks in my tests.
In Rise you need to do X cutting damage to tail to cut it off, simple as that.
Note: this is different from a lot of previous Monster Hunter games, what you said is correct for a lot of them.

[BloodReaper]

Originally posted by teravisor:

Originally posted by Greslus:

You don't necessarily need to do only Slash type damage to it. You can do blunt to reduce the tail HP down. Though the value will be capped at 1 until a Slash type attack do the final hit. You can use your Kunai (the item that is always in your loadout) to finish the job.

Wrong. A best way to understand it is to install a popular DPS meter, it has parts durability listed. Durability of tail for cutting never decreased from blunt attacks in my tests.
In Rise you need to do X cutting damage to tail to cut it off, simple as that. It's independant from stagger meter like what you said which was in a lot of previous installments of monster hunter.

This is correct, there is a fine difference between a tails BREAK and a tail CUT. Certain monsters can have their tail BROKEN which then allows for cutting damage. Mizutsune, Normal & Violet, also Almudron both Normal & Magna being fine examples of this. All other monsters have either BREAK or CUT damage thresholds. All breakable tails can be broken by anything, all cut-able tails need cutting weapon damage.

[Greslus]

Originally posted by BloodReaper:

Originally posted by teravisor:

Wrong. A best way to understand it is to install a popular DPS meter, it has parts durability listed. Durability of tail for cutting never decreased from blunt attacks in my tests.
In Rise you need to do X cutting damage to tail to cut it off, simple as that. It's independant from stagger meter like what you said which was in a lot of previous installments of monster hunter.

This is correct, there is a fine difference between a tails BREAK and a tail CUT. Certain monsters can have their tail BROKEN which then allows for cutting damage. Mizutsune, Normal & Violet, also Almudron both Normal & Magna being fine examples of this. All other monsters have either BREAK or CUT damage thresholds. All breakable tails can be broken by anything, all cut-able tails need cutting weapon damage.

Ah, my mistake then. A lot of streamers just parrot the same information and assumptions coming from older gen. And since I don't exclusively use blunt weapons, I took on the same assumptions too. A shame that they just did this change and left blunt weapon users in the dust then if this is true. Not a change I'm okay with.

[AurumHawke]

Tailcutting has been sever-only since at least 3rd gen and it's unlikely they would revert it.
Sever and stagger limits are often tied together so using an elemental blade would cause a stagger just a few hits before severing the tail.
Similarly, there are blunt-only breaks like Barroth's crown.

[Valentine (Lunaticus)]

Originally posted by AurumHawke:

Tailcutting has been sever-only since at least 3rd gen and it's unlikely they would revert it.
Sever and stagger limits are often tied together so using an elemental blade would cause a stagger just a few hits before severing the tail.
Similarly, there are blunt-only breaks like Barroth's crown.

So it was actually that old of a change already. I did feel like I've been hearing people correct others on this for a long ass time already, turns out it was for the whole duration I've been playing this series.

Originally posted by Greslus:

And since I don't exclusively use blunt weapons, I took on the same assumptions too. A shame that they just did this change and left blunt weapon users in the dust then if this is true. Not a change I'm okay with.

With everyone and their mother being able to stun, along with all the other methods on incapacitating monsters, it does feel like pure blunt got left behind, especially Hammer. Like at least HH has its own thing with the buffs, but Hammer? All Hammer had was blunt damage. I think they should've made a silkbind move that would've let it do cutting damage, or just be blunt damage that could still sever tails. Impact Crater for example could've done this.

[teravisor]

Originally posted by AurumHawke:

Sever and stagger limits are often tied together so using an elemental blade would cause a stagger just a few hits before severing the tail.

This is exactly what's different between older games and Rise: stagger and severing thresholds are not connected to each other in Rise.

[AurumHawke]

Originally posted by teravisor:

This is exactly what's different between older games and Rise: stagger and severing thresholds are not connected to each other in Rise.

Seems like we said the same thing differently: the different damage types go against two thresholds that have frequently enough have similar damage values.
E.g. a tail with 700 stagger and 700 sever damage limit, when hit by an LS with an element, would reach 700 stagger from raw+ele before reaching 700 sever from raw. Only the cut raw going against sever but all damage going against stagger.

It's just the numerical values happening to be the same, like with the so-called "bloat" values and a weapon's "default" motion (GS uncharged overhead, SwAx standing overhead which increased after introduction between games, LS first overhead).

[Stumpy]

from my understanding when playing around with hunter pie, the tail has two health bars. one for staggering, and one for cutting. and as you already found out, blunt or piercing does not contribute to cutting the tail off. only the majority of the melee weapons, cutting ammo, the Kunai, and the Dragon Piercer can contribute to cutting the tail