Velkhana ( Edited version )

[The High Seraph]

Ok she is not bad . She has respectable damage for being low HR requirement monster compared to Risen Valstrax but HP is low as endgame monster . Maybe this is for balanced between new players who are trying to fight her with Underlevel gears and Vets with min max sets . I am pretty sure she will be part of Anomaly Investigation Roaster and will get Advanced version of event quest where difficulty actually jump .

Right now Rise Velkhana has 4 new moves than World Arch Tempered Velkhana .

- She has vertical wide tail sweep .
- She also has a move from Risen Kushala but with ice .
- She have bigger version of tail sweep that also fly and rain down with circular ice beams .
- She has 1 super move scripted to use after boosting to final form .
- Her Enraged mode roars in Rise are now the same as Kushala & Teostra and you actually need earplug to prevent these . In world , enraged type roars can’t even consider as roar and no need earplugs , if she enraged after wall slam ? Free more 1 hit during this roar .

But here are what she loses from World counterpart .
- She no longer has combo variations at least in my observation .
World AT Velk can go
1. Tail Stab -> Tail Stab -> Tail Stab
2. Tail Stab -> Tail Stab -> Jump Tail Stab
3. Tail Stab -> Tail Stab -> Tail Sweep
4. Tail Stab -> Tail Sweep -> watch your current position .
4-1 : if your current position after 2 tail stab and sweep is melee -> Frost Grab !
4-2 : if your current position after 2 tail stab and sweep is ranged -> Frost breathe !

Rise Velkana has variant 1,2 and 3 . In my observation she loses the fourth variation . Maybe I killed her too fast .

She can now combo two type of beam attack . Normal Beam follow by a breathe that summon ice spikes in a row form . World Velk can’t combo two in a row .

She now uses her AT move as standalone in Rise . In world , Her AT move is part of her combo finishers . The one she spammed in World is -> repositioned to off camera -> light bite -> AT move . Now she still have repositioned to off camera followed by light bite but no longer extend combo with AT move .

HZV is still the same even after ascending to final form in Rise . World AT Elsa have mechanic in which her HZV become worsen as she improves her armor throughout the fight . Final form no longer trigger Weakness Exploit for shot types in world without Tenderizing .

Dragon Pod and Elderseal interaction Vs Her ice armor have been removed for obvious reason .

World supermove is now become DPS check and only uses if you fail to break her ice armor .

Well she isn’t direct difficulty jump from World but more like different . She can use more moves but at the same time more predictable .

Her armor is fun and weapon even have gimmicks .

And she is hostile again . In World , she has several nicknames like Drama Queen because of her tsundere attitude . In World main story , she hates you , invade your village , told you to ♥♥♥ off . But when you beat the story and hit the Guiding land , she becomes chill and you can even take selfie with her , she love watching camera together with posing hunters and even kill small monsters for you if they dare to interrupt the wholesome moment . But she becomes hostile and immediately attack you in her Arch Tempered state . She is such a mood swinging tsundere . Now she still hates you in Rise .

Finally F U Capcom for holding my favorite Himi cut hairstyle up to Sunbreak TU4 and lock behind the paywall . I was searching for this hair since base rise and took you nearly 1 year .

[Chaoz]

If the thing about her having combos in World is true, then dear lord. Only 3 new moves, and REMOVED mechanics from her previous fight? As if I couldn't get more disappointed. At least it's good to hear her gear sounds interesting.

If she doesn't have a turf war with Malzeno though then there will be war.

[The High Seraph]

Originally posted by Chaoz:

If the thing about her having combos in World is true, then dear lord. Only 3 new moves, and REMOVED mechanics from her previous fight? As if I couldn't get more disappointed. At least it's good to hear her gear sounds interesting.

If she doesn't have a turf war with Malzeno though then there will be war.

She still does combos . But more like losing variations and so more predictable . Removed mechanics are acceptable since both are tied to World’s exclusive mechanics . HZV mechanics is tied with Clutch Claw and removing armor mode with dragon pod is tie with slinger mechanic . And Elderseal is also exclusive to world too . I won’t say she is toned down . But current quest is definitely easier than World’s AT velk because of Damage and HP aren’t scaled that high which is understandable . We need to see her in Investigations and Advanced event quests .

Ya you can trust me about her combos . I played world 4090 hours and I know about her in and out .

She has turf war with Malzeno and it’s quite impressive .

https://youtu.be/ZUonFVdzat4

[The High Seraph]

Ok edit : seems I was wrong about some stuffs . According to testing from Reddit , Velkhana have variations from tail stabs but I never see her using . I just need to test her more .

She doesn’t lose her old Supermove like I said . It’s now just tie with Dps check and she will use it if you failed to break her ice armor in given amount of time .

[Max]

Anyone noticing the ice beam attack underground is hard to see, I mean the move when he beams on the ground and the ice circle is thumped up (sorry my bad English), or maybe bc the texture on the map is just too blight to see. In MHW you can see the small fog on the ground which makes it easy for timing but nothing in MHR.

[The High Seraph]

Originally posted by Max:

Anyone noticing the ice beam attack underground is hard to see, I mean the move when he beams on the ground and the ice circle is thumped up (sorry my bad English), or maybe bc the texture on the map is just too blight to see. In MHW you can see the small fog on the ground which makes it easy for timing but nothing in MHR.

Actually this move is much better in Rise . In world , she creates fogs before doing this moves and these ice spikes appearing from fogs . The trick for this move is that you shouldn’t watch these ice spikes . Visual clue is useless in this move since these spikes are instant . Instead you should memorize the timing when they appear because the moment Velkhana breathe the ground and appearing ice spike is fix and with some practices , you should be able to react .

I used to iframe these spikes in World with Evade Window 3 . But in Rise , a game filled with counter and parries , you shouldn’t have issue parrying these spikes when you know their timing .

[Toxi]

yeah, I also wouldn't say Velkhana was the hardest, but he's not too shabby, it's a really cool fight full of aggression, twists and being careful with your positioning, only number 2nd to CG Val for me.
It would also do well for many to Not Underestimate him because this is basically on the same level as AT Velkhana and maybe with the exception of CG Valstrax, he is either the number 2 or 1 hardest hitting Elder Dragon right now..


I think he's just unfortunately came at a pretty late time and was overshadowed by the more mean and deadly Risen Val, which is completely fair in all honesty, Risen Val Deserves to be this insane and also, I get this feeling that they're saving up Velkhana's destructive potential for that final update, that is if Velkhana is going to be the next Risen.. If they're doing that, that's smart, if not? then yeah, that's kinda dumb, because they either should've gone all out now or saved it for the Risen version.

[The High Seraph]

Originally posted by Toxi:

yeah, I also wouldn't say Velkhana was the hardest, but he's not too shabby, it's a really cool fight full of aggression, twists and being careful with your positioning, only number 2nd to CG Val for me.
It would also do well for many to Not Underestimate him because this is basically on the same level as AT Velkhana and maybe with the exception of CG Valstrax, he is either the number 2 or 1 hardest hitting Elder Dragon right now..


I think he's just unfortunately came at a pretty late time and was overshadowed by the more mean and deadly Risen Val, which is completely fair in all honesty, Risen Val Deserves to be this insane and also, I get this feeling that they're saving up Velkhana's destructive potential for that final update, that is if Velkhana is going to be the next Risen.. If they're doing that, that's smart, if not? then yeah, that's kinda dumb, because they either should've gone all out now or saved it for the Risen version.

Yeah she is definitely not pushover . She just can’t keep up with late game stuff like you said . If we compared with World TU4 which have Alatreon and Frostfang . Actual difficulty that can compare with Alatreon is Risen Valstrax . Velkhana is more like frostfang tier .

But I am pretty sure they will pump her up with investigation or event quests . Now we have real buff up Lucent Nagacuga quest in a form of “HAZARD” . Who’s know we will have HAZARD Velkhana in next TU 5 .

[Toxi]

Originally posted by The High Seraph:

Originally posted by Toxi:

yeah, I also wouldn't say Velkhana was the hardest, but he's not too shabby, it's a really cool fight full of aggression, twists and being careful with your positioning, only number 2nd to CG Val for me.
It would also do well for many to Not Underestimate him because this is basically on the same level as AT Velkhana and maybe with the exception of CG Valstrax, he is either the number 2 or 1 hardest hitting Elder Dragon right now..


I think he's just unfortunately came at a pretty late time and was overshadowed by the more mean and deadly Risen Val, which is completely fair in all honesty, Risen Val Deserves to be this insane and also, I get this feeling that they're saving up Velkhana's destructive potential for that final update, that is if Velkhana is going to be the next Risen.. If they're doing that, that's smart, if not? then yeah, that's kinda dumb, because they either should've gone all out now or saved it for the Risen version.

Yeah she is definitely not pushover . She just can’t keep up with late game stuff like you said . If we compared with World TU4 which have Alatreon and Frostfang . Actual difficulty that can compare with Alatreon is Risen Valstrax . Velkhana is more like frostfang tier .

But I am pretty sure they will pump her up with investigation or event quests . Now we have real buff up Lucent Nagacuga quest in a form of “HAZARD” . Who’s know we will have HAZARD Velkhana in next TU 5 .

oh yeah, that's true.. I haven't even gotten into that yet, I'll have to check that quest out, a Hazard type one? That's interesting.

I would say this though, Frostfang was definitely more of a pushover than Velkhana here, to no one's surprise really.. :p

[Radd]

Feels good meeting and fighting Velkhana again, it's just that I wished I didn't bring along le broken Hinoa+Minoto follower combo the first time I fought it, lol.
Velkhana's theme sounds awesome. The victory theme is even more awesome. Bringing back the good 'ol Iceborn days.

[Toxi]

Originally posted by Radd:

Feels good meeting and fighting Velkhana again, it's just that I wished I didn't bring along le broken Hinoa+Minoto follower combo the first time I fought it, lol.
Velkhana's theme sounds awesome. The victory theme is even more awesome. Bringing back the good 'ol Iceborn days.

True! just like the Violet Mizu fight, these were all really nice touches!
I hope those Hazard type quests could have something like that going for them too.

This is why I can't even be mad, Velkhana is just really awesome, sure they took the safest bet, but I can't blame them for it.. I mean without him, we wouldn't have Frostcraft back.

[TyresTyco]

Didnt like it in IB. Kinda love it in sunbreak. Does not fly around to much this time. Engaging, fun fight. Unlike Risen Val .. which is just ... pain.

[The High Seraph]

Originally posted by TyresTyco:

Didnt like it in IB. Kinda love it in sunbreak. Does not fly around to much this time. Engaging, fun fight. Unlike Risen Val .. which is just ... pain.

Hate to tell you that this Risen Valstrax we fought is just tutorial quest for learning his move sets . We will witness the true Horror at level 300 Risen Valstrax anomaly investigation in April TU5 . You better prepare for this . This guy is peak anime monster . I know portable team love their Valstrax but they go full weeb power in this one .

[TyresTyco]

Originally posted by The High Seraph:

Originally posted by TyresTyco:

Didnt like it in IB. Kinda love it in sunbreak. Does not fly around to much this time. Engaging, fun fight. Unlike Risen Val .. which is just ... pain.

Hate to tell you that this Risen Valstrax we fought is just tutorial quest for learning his move sets . We will witness the true Horror at level 300 Risen Valstrax anomaly investigation in April TU5 . You better prepare for this . This guy is peak anime monster . I know portable team love their Valstrax but they go full weeb power in this one .

Yeah I can clearly see that happen :(. That will be the one and only time I will dig out my dusty lbg build to yolo stomp it. I like normal Val in Rise but Risen Val.. I was like " gimme a break.. damn". Not easy with my IG builds. Still nice having some challenge tho.

[CookedMeat]

I'm personally quite disappointed by Sunbreak Velkana, I don't feel like it is tweaked strong enough to deal with MHRS hunters' agility. It is however on par with other non-risen TU monsters, which is fair since as you analysed, these monster are supposed to be introduced fairly early. Hope the risen version will be much stronger than AT Velk.

One thing though, it certainly felt good to fight it without the need of tenderizing.

P.S.: Risen Elder in Anomaly Investigations are no different compared to their normal version? I'm not sure but they don't seem to be any different other than hitting harder and more bulky. Kinda like Apexes tbh.

[Fleshly Delight]

Originally posted by CookedMeat:

I'm personally quite disappointed by Sunbreak Velkana, I don't feel like it is tweaked strong enough to deal with MHRS hunters' agility. It is however on par with other non-risen TU monsters, which is fair since as you analysed, these monster are supposed to be introduced fairly early. Hope the risen version will be much stronger than AT Velk.

One thing though, it certainly felt good to fight it without the need of tenderizing.

Feeling the same way.
Velkhana was an absolute joke to my party and we completely clowned on her. We already knew that Velkhana wasn't going to be able to keep up well with all the stuff Sunbreak already gave us, but boy were we surprised that it was much, much easier than we expected.
For a monster added in TU4, it sure didn't feel like it.
Violet Mizu is still a pain in the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ass, but Velkhana is just too much of a breeze.