What's a good end game raw LBG build?

[toughnails]

Not looking for a meta build (I know the meta is elemental), just something that's fun to play casually.

Currently running a Normal 3 build with the Zinogre LBG, Critical Firepower, Weakness Exploit 3, Normal Up 3, Crit Boost 3, Crit Eye 5, Attack Boost 5, Recoil Down 3, Reload Speed 3, Ballistics 2 and Evade Extender 2. It's decent, afflicted hunts take about 10 min, but some monsters like Chaotic Gore Magala are awful match ups due to their small weak spots. The MR70 Valstrax even took 30 min but I was playing super safe because the LBG has no counters and he just spams super fast attacks. Had to hug his ass and shoot the wings (was hitting for about 160-190 depending on the distance).

I've tried Pierce 3 (same build but with Pierce Up 3 instead of Normal Up 3, also no Critical Firepower as it doesn't seem to work with Pierce) with the final boss LBG and it's much easier to play as you don't have to aim so precisely and the DPS seemed a bit higher too, but I was running out of ammo REALLY fast. In-battle crafting alone just won't do with this setup, you have to make trips to camp to restock. So I ditched it.

And Spread... well that's just playing melee, might as well grab a real melee weapon. So the only options left would be Normal 2 Rapid Fire (e.g. Astalos LBG) and Pierce 2 Rapid Fire (e.g. Narga LBG) with Rapid Up 3. Are they worth farming out? Are they really much better than regular Normal 3 sniping?

Failing that, I might try getting into HBGs I guess. The mobility is awful but they get a shield, right?

[CookedMeat]

Malzeno is better for pierce two for having higher raw.

Also how do you even use up Pierce 3? Monsters usually run away every 5-8 minutes, and you can use this time to restock ammo. If you bring enough ammo + material you shouldn't be using them up within 10 minutes or so.

[toughnails]

Originally posted by CookedMeat:

Malzeno is better for pierce two for having higher raw.

Also how do you even use up Pierce 3? Monsters usually run away every 5-8 minutes, and you can use this time to restock ammo. If you bring enough ammo + material you shouldn't be using them up within 10 minutes or so.

Can't craft Malzeno yet, it needs materials from the MR100 monster and I'm not there yet.

As for Piece 3, basically you craft Pierce 1 with Latchberry (using a radial menu shortcut), then Pierce 3 with Pierce 1 + Gunpowder 3. I've tried this on a Teostra hunt, and I barely had enough ammo to finish him off, as I eventually ran out of Gunpowder. And it's just the regular MR hunt, the Risen version will definitely require restocking at camp, which I don't want to do because reasons.

[Mr. Wipe me down]

Try the rapid fire pierce build with the light bow gun. It is a part destroyer and a monster shredder from my time using it. High rank monsters get melted in an average of 8-15 minutes for me

[amathy]

Originally posted by toughnails:

Can't craft Malzeno yet, it needs materials from the MR100 monster and I'm not there yet.

the difference between rarity 9 malzeno and rarity 10 is 10 raw and 1 shot before reloading, you should still make it
also critical firepower definitely does work with pierce
normal ammo sucks, all the damage is in elemental/pierce/spread

so ideally you use rapid fire pierce 2 with malzeno
silencer on malzeno and use critical firepower
it needs 3 recoil down and 2 reload speed
you need at least rapid fire up 3 and pierce up 3, those are the most significant damage increases
ideally also weakness exploit 3, critical boost 3, maximum might 3, attack boost 4, spare shot 3, and bloodlust

also

because the LBG has no counters

lbg has one of the best counters in the game

[toughnails]

Originally posted by amathy oniichan uwu:

Originally posted by toughnails:

Can't craft Malzeno yet, it needs materials from the MR100 monster and I'm not there yet.

the difference between rarity 9 malzeno and rarity 10 is 10 raw and 1 shot before reloading, you should still make it

Qurious weapon upgrades are rarity 10 only, so yeah, I'd rather just wait until MR100.

Anyhow, Rapid Fire Pierce 2 should be a lot more ammo efficient than Pierce 3, this could be a fun build, thanks guys.

[Mr. Wipe me down]

Originally posted by toughnails:

Originally posted by amathy oniichan uwu:

the difference between rarity 9 malzeno and rarity 10 is 10 raw and 1 shot before reloading, you should still make it

Qurious weapon upgrades are rarity 10 only, so yeah, I'd rather just wait until MR100.

Anyhow, Rapid Fire Pierce 2 should be a lot more ammo efficient than Pierce 3, this could be a fun build, thanks guys.

Your gonna love that build, its fun to use, trust me

[Pook and Pie]

Any information you'd want to know regarding bowgun sets can be found here:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W_XnRacr6yt9YaJ9dZKnge7w4ccKkBOKN5Urt27YRK0/edit

All of the information given regarding Malzeno LBG is accurate, this is just in case you want to build something different or want to get into elemental bowgunning. The LBG also has one of the best counterattacks in the game, change one of your wirebug skills to Wyvern Counter. It has huge i-frames and also does damage if you're close enough.

[toughnails]

So Malzeno is the best overall raw LBG? I looked it up and it has all the good perks for Pierce 2 (shoot on the go, reload on the go, rapid fire), the affinity sucks though (0%) and the rampage slot is just level 1, so no Daora Soul (but might be possible with qurious upgrades?).

Haven't used Wyvern Counter at all, the description made it look very situational (counters breath attacks). Breath attacks are like the easiest attacks to dodge, just roll sideways. What I need a counter for are e.g. Magnamalo's longer combos (when enraged) or Valstrax's combo that ends in a wing slam (it one shots at full health if you couldn't dodge it). Can you counter these with this switch skill? Apex Diablos is also BS with an LBG, couldn't figure out how to deal with his lunge spam in the 2nd phase.

[Pook and Pie]

The Wyvern Counter has huge i-frames at the start, fires a shot forward, and makes you leap backward. It basically makes you safe against anything except charging attacks from gold crown large monsters, and against those you can simply strafe left or right and aim to your 11 or 1 o' clock to completely escape those attacks. It's basically free. You're invulnerable until the apex of the jump, so aiming backwards, diagonally, or perpendicular to attacks will all work and keep you safe from harm.

also, the Malzeno LBG is not the best overall raw LBG, but it's likely the easiest to make a solid set for due to its high raw and solid pierce 2 magazine. You'll be able to augment it to an anti-species deco using a rampage slot increase augment later. The final boss LBG is solid for spread 3, as is Gold Rathian's for Spread 3 (Critical Firepower is pretty nice, after all).

I believe the current meta for RF Pierce 2 is Nargacuga's LBG until you get far enough you can build out the Malzeno LBG, though currently I believe some are enamored with Chaotic Gore's, but that requires Ammo Up 2 in the set along with all the relevant good attack skills (so it's substantially harder to make a good set for). Angbata11's videos have a good set regarding both Malzeno's LBG and Chaotic Gore's, in the event it's easier to listen to someone talk about *why* they picked specific skills and setups.

[Mr. Wipe me down]

Originally posted by toughnails:

So Malzeno is the best overall raw LBG? I looked it up and it has all the good perks for Pierce 2 (shoot on the go, reload on the go, rapid fire), the affinity sucks though (0%) and the rampage slot is just level 1, so no Daora Soul (but might be possible with qurious upgrades?).

Haven't used Wyvern Counter at all, the description made it look very situational (counters breath attacks). Breath attacks are like the easiest attacks to dodge, just roll sideways. What I need a counter for are e.g. Magnamalo's longer combos (when enraged) or Valstrax's combo that ends in a wing slam (it one shots at full health if you couldn't dodge it). Can you counter these with this switch skill? Apex Diablos is also BS with an LBG, couldn't figure out how to deal with his lunge spam in the 2nd phase.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxf_hoOcnG4 this video is what i used to help point me in the right direction for a rapid fire build. Its 17 minutes but it will go through a lot of information for you.

[amathy]

So Malzeno is the best overall raw LBG?

for rapid fire pierce 2, yes
for spread, gaismagorm is the best

the rampage slot is just level 1, so no Daora Soul

you should upgrade the rampage slot when you can to 2 and use species exploit
daora isn't really necessary since you can max affinity with wex+max might+bloodlust

Haven't used Wyvern Counter at all, the description made it look very situational

it's situational in the sense that it's used for almost every situation
it can counter mostly everything and even if you ♥♥♥♥ up the timing it will often throw you back far enough where the attack misses anyways
it's one of the reasons why max might is so good for lbg, you almost never need to use stamina dodging

[toughnails]

It really sucks that Wyvern Counter can only be used in place of Fanning Vault, and I really love the latter, it lets me hop around without sheathing my weapon + I can stick wyvern blasts on monsters for more damage + part breaking.

[toughnails]

Okay, I made the Malzeno LBG. Even without Rapid Fire Up 3 it's still stupid strong. Like wow. Thousands points of damage in just a few seconds. What the hell, this is super easy mode, thanks for ruining the game for me guys. But jokes aside, it's freaking awesome.

EDIT: Finished the build, got Crit Eye 7, Crit Boost 3, Weakness Exploit 3, Pierce Up 3, Rapid Fire Up 3. Reload Speed 3, Recoil Down 3, Attack Boost 2. Time to blast everything that moves.

[Mors]

Any pierce 2 LBG is stupidly strong. Outplayed only by elemental and/or specific HBG setups. Before I switched for HBG, the Malzeno p2 build was my go-to, dealing 70% of all damage in a 4 player hunt. Keep using the Deja-vu move, it gives you extra dmg at the end. The current best for p2 is the Chaotic Magala lbg with its ability to get 100% affinity without breaking a sweat

[amathy]

cgore isn't the best rfp2 lbg, it's still malzeno