What do you think about the apexes?

[Juliane_L]

I really like the apexes for the most part. While we got confirmation that there won't be any MR apexes, I really hope the "something else" mentionned by Capcom has the same movesets (or are just deviants) because I'd be sad to lose some of the best fights in the game due to not having MR versions.

-Apex Arzuros: the worst apex, which is more of a compliment for the others than anything else, because I think Apex Arzuros is quite a decent monster. He has quite a few new moves and combos, and he is quite hard to kill. If anything, I personally think he is one of the harder apexes, due to how hard hitting his weakspots can be *cries in Dual Blades* and of how small some of his oppennings are. I can survive against most emergency apexes pretty well, but emergency Apex Arzuros is quick to uppercut me back to camp. Not the best fight there is, but pretty decent. 7/10.

Apex Rathian: one of the most underrated fights in the game, by far. Base Rathian is and has always been a decent fight, but this one brings a lot of fun and powerfull moves, while still having new opennings during all of that agression. She is definitely a top tier fight IMO. 9/10

Apex Mizutsune: a pretty different fight from normal Mizu, who is already a great monster. Apex Mizu is even better, with high agression, damage and combo potential, but just as many opennings, and a great flow to the fight. One of my favorite monsters in the entire game and absolutely amazing, 10/10.

Apex Rathalos: the only case where I like the basic version better than the apex one. Apex Rathalos is a pretty good fight and a well designed one IMO, but it is unfortunately a pretty awkward fight with my weapon of choice, the Dual Blades. Several of his attacks leave the head just too high for a punish with my two toothpicks, and some ofhis opennings make him move so much I am pretty much guaranted to whif a few hits, which feels kinda unsatisfying. Still pretty good, deserves a 7.5/10 IMO, but I could see him getting a better score using other weapons.

Apex Diablos: I really like this guy, and he is super underrated in my opinion. Lots of new moves, all of which are fun to deal with, and the blak smoke attacks are all really cool and dangerous, but give big opennings to compensate. Very nice flow of the fight, definitely one of the best in the game. 9.5/10

Apex Zinogre: I mean, it's Zinogre, but even better. Do I really need to say anything? 10/10, one the best fights tied with Magnamalo and Apex Mizu.


Some people say that you have no reason to fight apexes because they have no gear, but with the exception of Rathalos and Mizu I see no reason to fight the normal monster because the Apex one is just more fun in every single way. And even then, forgetting about rewards, fun is far enough reason for me to hunt a monster.

[アンジェル]

Long story short: pure dissapointment in regards of Apexes.

At worst it feels like a 2nd colour palette to show them they are stronger. At best the additional movements make them somewhat different. But still too little to be considered interesting enough.

Though in fairness: if I have to decide between a Rathian and an Emergency Apex Rathian quest, I would always pick the latter since it is more interesting.

[JPM岩]

Apexes are p fun. I just wish Apex Rathalos had Extreme Fireblight.

[Remi]

I just want the real Massacre Demon Blos in Sunbreak with full-sized steam eruptions and the roar into charge true combo we deserve. Apex Blos is still the best fight in the game, but how sad is it that he can just miss his signature attack on me when I'm standing directly in front of him? At least Apex Mizu's bubbles have the hilarious knockback from the OG.

If the Apexes are truly left behind and their fights not implemented or changed into those new tough endgame monsters in Sunbreak then I'll be sad. I know reusing old designs and fights is questionable, but Deviants deserve a second chance on PC with a more fleshed out ticket system. Apexes did not grant them that second chance, I hope Sunbreak will do it.

[skald]

They are way more interesting than tempered, that's for sure. But 1-2 hit deaths are not my kind of fun, so I do wish there were a little more reason to farm them. Maybe like a rampage armor or something.

[Pook and Pie]

They're fine. The Apexes in Rise are a far cry from the Deviants of GU (which makes sense, as the Deviants in Generations weren't really anything at all). Hopefully in Sunbreak they un-nerf Bloodbath Diablos and actually let him do his roar into the, "Screw you, in particular" charge that one-shot everybody who either couldn't roll, Valor guard, or Adept evade the roar, lol.

Having Apex equipment as an end-game grind would be nice too. I enjoyed getting the color shaders for my equipment and chasing that big crown, as well.

[JPM岩]

Originally posted by Remi:

I just want the real Massacre Demon Blos in Sunbreak with full-sized steam eruptions and the roar into charge true combo we deserve. Apex Blos is still the best fight in the game, but how sad is it that he can just miss his signature attack on me when I'm standing directly in front of him? At least Apex Mizu's bubbles have the hilarious knockback from the OG.

If the Apexes are truly left behind and their fights not implemented or changed into those new tough endgame monsters in Sunbreak then I'll be sad. I know reusing old designs and fights is questionable, but Deviants deserve a second chance on PC with a more fleshed out ticket system. Apexes did not grant them that second chance, I hope Sunbreak will do it.

Thinking about it, if Deviants were to return, I want a full overhaul. I dont want that trash ticket system they had before, I want something fluid and engaging. Hell, they could even do what they did with Apexes, where they released after the main game, or have the "Emergency Deviants" give the max level tickets to upgrade their gear (like Level 16s). I'd also want them to focus on the flagships. Arzuros is fine as a tutorial, but I dont want uragaan, or lagombi, or the crabs (even tho I love rustrazor), to have priority over seregios, or magna, or lagiacrus, in getting a deviant. That was one thing that was a massive dissapointment to me with Deviants, all flags were in, but you could tell which ones were favored.
TBH, I see Deviants returning more and more, especially since Stories 2 featured them out of nowhere.

[Remi]

Originally posted by Pook and Pie:

I enjoyed getting the color shaders for my equipment and chasing that big crown, as well.

Right I forgot about these, I loved the Soulseer armor plus the Bloodbath Deviant color scheme pulsing deep red. Rise is just lacking cool unique aesthetics like those currently.

Originally posted by JPM岩:

Thinking about it, if Deviants were to return, I want a full overhaul. I dont want that trash ticket system they had before, I want something fluid and engaging. Hell, they could even do what they did with Apexes, where they released after the main game, or have the "Emergency Deviants" give the max level tickets to upgrade their gear (like Level 16s). I'd also want them to focus on the flagships. Arzuros is fine as a tutorial, but I dont want uragaan, or lagombi, or the crabs (even tho I love rustrazor), to have priority over seregios, or magna, or lagiacrus, in getting a deviant. That was one thing that was a massive dissapointment to me with Deviants, all flags were in, but you could tell which ones were favored.
TBH, I see Deviants returning more and more, especially since Stories 2 featured them out of nowhere.

I'd like for the endgame monsters in Sunbreak to have a unique theme, I know Deviant theme grew old after the 100th time hearing it, but it emphasized that those monsters weren't your average hunt, just like the alternate "spotted" sound.
Say Sunbreak endgame monsters are in essence just Apexes under a different name and instead of Ibushi's winds being their origin it will then be Malzeno's Bloodblight or whatever, they could just reuse the currently criminally underused Apex theme and use that for the MR "Apex but not Apex" monsters.

[Pook and Pie]

Originally posted by Remi:

Originally posted by Pook and Pie:

I enjoyed getting the color shaders for my equipment and chasing that big crown, as well.

Right I forgot about these, I loved the Soulseer armor plus the Bloodbath Deviant color scheme pulsing deep red. Rise is just lacking cool unique aesthetics like those currently.

Ah yeah, man. I loved using the Dreadqueen and Soulseer pigments. Those would definitely be cool additions to have return. I specifically used the Bloodbath pigment on my Bloodbath killer set that I used to help people going for their big crown, lol.

[JPM岩]

Originally posted by Remi:

Originally posted by Pook and Pie:

I enjoyed getting the color shaders for my equipment and chasing that big crown, as well.

Right I forgot about these, I loved the Soulseer armor plus the Bloodbath Deviant color scheme pulsing deep red. Rise is just lacking cool unique aesthetics like those currently.

Originally posted by JPM岩:

Thinking about it, if Deviants were to return, I want a full overhaul. I dont want that trash ticket system they had before, I want something fluid and engaging. Hell, they could even do what they did with Apexes, where they released after the main game, or have the "Emergency Deviants" give the max level tickets to upgrade their gear (like Level 16s). I'd also want them to focus on the flagships. Arzuros is fine as a tutorial, but I dont want uragaan, or lagombi, or the crabs (even tho I love rustrazor), to have priority over seregios, or magna, or lagiacrus, in getting a deviant. That was one thing that was a massive dissapointment to me with Deviants, all flags were in, but you could tell which ones were favored.
TBH, I see Deviants returning more and more, especially since Stories 2 featured them out of nowhere.

I'd like for the endgame monsters in Sunbreak to have a unique theme, I know Deviant theme grew old after the 100th time hearing it, but it emphasized that those monsters weren't your average hunt, just like the alternate "spotted" sound.
Say Sunbreak endgame monsters are in essence just Apexes under a different name and instead of Ibushi's winds being their origin it will then be Malzeno's Bloodblight or whatever, they could just reuse the currently criminally underused Apex theme and use that for the MR "Apex but not Apex" monsters.

I'd love for apexes to have unique themes (or least a new theme). The apex's theme was good, but it was only 40 seconds long, so you'd hear it on loop for a good 10 minutes per hunt, and if everyone in the lobby was grinding it, you'd be listening to it for hours on end, with Berna's theme being an oasis.

[Vazc0]

the apexes are some of the best fights of the game, but they're still lacking the character and looks the deviants had.

i was so hyped for apex diablos and emergency apex diablos, but he's just no bloodbath diablos. he lacks the special tailcut and hornbreak, the big explosions, the actually scary roar into charge combo and he just looks like a weird oily diablos.

i still really like apex rathian and apex zinogre. apex rathalos is also growing on me. dunking them with greatsword is really satisfying.

[Veritas]

Bad deviants with a dumb damage topple that makes them do nothing most of the hunt if you are remotely competent. And then they don't even have proper gear.

Fail on capcom's part

[Khance Time]

To me they are just watered down Deviants with no armor/weapons. I'd almost wager SB will add 3 more. a nargacuga, Tigrex and Astalos apex to reflect this. (maybe a Seanataur one but IDK)
Sad that they give no real reason to grind except a 1% increase of gems as rewards.

[GamingWithSilvertail]

Apexes are fine.

More fun then grinding tempered from MHW.

[Fraktal]

Originally posted by GamingWithSilvertail:

Apexes are fine.

More fun then grinding tempered from MHW.

Only cuz they have different moves.

[GamingWithSilvertail]

Originally posted by The Orange and Blue Ninja:

Originally posted by GamingWithSilvertail:

Apexes are fine.

More fun then grinding tempered from MHW.

Only cuz they have different moves.

Woould you rather have this stupid ED tempered grind for health augmentation that we had in world?

I would not XD Health augments where to OP in world