I made a light bowgun build and so far it has trivialised every monster

[kl250d]

Its really fun to use but simultaneously feels really cheap. Evade extender pierce bowgun and i rarely get hit just because I'm always far enough away that if a monster attacks i dodge a couple of times and am at the other end of the area.

I went back and made a set on world and it doesn't feel anywhere near as fun or fluid to use. Is rise LBG OP or is Worlds just not that great? cause they felt worlds apart when using them like they were two completely different weapons

[Popcorn]

Both felt the same for me idk why

[kl250d]

Originally posted by Popcorn:

Both felt the same for me idk why

It could just be experience. I'm guessing you've got much more experience than me as i only started using it 2 days ago

[Misfit]

had the same experience, switched from my usually main lance to lbg.
got over 1k hunts with lbg, also with rapid pierce and evade extender 3, it op for the normal content.
you get <5min runs without even trying or buffing.
sure, thats also possible with every other weapon, but with lbg you dont have to care about anything (besides dodging, which is a joke with ee3). now that they nerfed monster tracking its even easier.

for 100+ anomaly farming and for more fun i switched back to lance, lbg is still good in multiplayer, but your pretty much 1 hit.
and im sick of just hammering r2 after 1k runs ;)

world had the same problem, the op ammo types changed with patches, but there was always a ranged build that was stupidly powerful.
its just too fluid now, in old school monster hunter they "balanced" it with the worst controls possible.

[kl250d]

At the moment I've chucked flaming espinas hands and feet on for the intrepid heart skill, because in the odd event that i am hit it does virtually no damage and can consistently charge it up again before I'm hit

[CookedMeat]

1. World LBG generally have bigger recoil, slower shot speed and longer reload time. This is due to the design that in World, reload/recoil are decided by what bowgun mods you choose. However in Rise, a bowgun's reload type (stand or walk) and shot type (stand or walk) are pre-decided for each gun, all you can alter are the speed of such action. This difference makes some bowguns in Rise completely garbage for not being able to fully utilize meta ammo types, but in return also make some bowguns stand out because they have a good match of reload/shot style for a specific ammo. Pierce LBG sits right on the sweet spot: Rapid fire with low recoil, alright magazine, walking reload and walking shot, making it arguably the best possible choice for playing pierce ammo even with the existence of HBG which are supposed to excel on DPS compared to LBG.

2. World LBG are great if you played the correct ammo type/build, but they are mostly overshadowed by HBG. Elemental LBG are also better than HBG in World in most cases.

3. Yes Pierce LBG is indeed stupidly powerful in Rise while require much less player skill to achieve a decent DPS. Now with Flaming Espinas armor's IH skill, the only risk of playing a Pierce LBG: easy one-shot, is now much more bearable. There really isn't much reasons for not using this build other than the fact that you actually want to play the game, not a walk-and-shoot-ASMR-simulator.

[Dagný]

In world pierce ammo with LBG is awful, you use elemental ammo instead because they pierce (in rise they have both types) and do more damage + no need to tenderize and fully utilises safi's set.
But the mystery to me is that you only met people using elemental ammo against safi, it works just as well and often better against other targets as well

[kl250d]

Originally posted by Dahlia Hawthorne:

In world pierce ammo with LBG is awful, you use elemental ammo instead because they pierce (in rise they have both types) and do more damage + no need to tenderize and fully utilises safi's set.
But the mystery to me is that you only met people using elemental ammo against safi, it works just as well and often better against other targets as well

See i got cocky with the build in world. I thought to myself that they'll be just a smooth in each game with dodging and skills, and that I'd be able to just take it into fatalis and trivialise it as well haha

Was a bit rough learning that they dont play the same but oh well

[Dagný]

Originally posted by kl250d:

Originally posted by Dahlia Hawthorne:

In world pierce ammo with LBG is awful, you use elemental ammo instead because they pierce (in rise they have both types) and do more damage + no need to tenderize and fully utilises safi's set.
But the mystery to me is that you only met people using elemental ammo against safi, it works just as well and often better against other targets as well

See i got cocky with the build in world. I thought to myself that they'll be just a smooth in each game with dodging and skills, and that I'd be able to just take it into fatalis and trivialise it as well haha

Was a bit rough learning that they dont play the same but oh well

Try rapid spread 2 or 3 with evade skills, it is way more comfortable than bow against fatalis
Elemental could work but you can't use a lot of dragon ammo like the other elements for some reason I don't know so the best option is fire lol

[Hallow⚜Yuuforia]

You’re not alone on that one. That’s why I don’t play LBG in Rise. In World pierce was situational and based on the monster you’re facing…here it’s just “lolol take it to every hunt”. I’m not a DPS hype beast are anything but in World, LBG damage was garbo. Not asking to out preform a Greatsword or something but if they hyper boosted Perfect Rush…why couldn’t LBG get some small adjustments? Felt like they over constrained what skills you can get on LBG too. For instance, can’t get rapid fire + crit element and spare shot was locked into a charm. One of the weirdest things I’ve seen is that you can get 3 Dragon Ammo pips underneath your reticle with free element ammo up…but guess what, you can only carry 2 at a time. Wut?

World LBG shredded on occasion with pierce while fighting Nergi, Shara, Kulve, and Alatreon…but again…highly situational. I hope they never do something like Safi armor again because it wasn’t very nice to be shackled to one armor just to make elemental gunning viable.

World LBG was the jack of all trades, master of none except for CC & stun. Here it excels at EVERYTHING. Sucks the fun straight out of hunts too. In the next iteration of MH, it’s probably going to go straight back to near bottom of the barrel and barely anyone will play it.

[CookedMeat]

Originally posted by Hallow⚜Yuuforia:

I hope they never do something like Safi armor again because it wasn’t very nice to be shackled to one armor just to make elemental gunning viable.

Meanwhile LBG in Rise are also tied to one set of skills, that just come from different armor pieces.

[Popcorn]

Originally posted by CookedMeat:

Originally posted by Hallow⚜Yuuforia:

I hope they never do something like Safi armor again because it wasn’t very nice to be shackled to one armor just to make elemental gunning viable.

Meanwhile LBG in Rise are also tied to one set of skills, that just come from different armor pieces.

What do you even mean by this statement?

[CookedMeat]

Originally posted by Popcorn:

Originally posted by CookedMeat:

Meanwhile LBG in Rise are also tied to one set of skills, that just come from different armor pieces.

What do you even mean by this statement?

He mentioned elemental LBG in Iceborne are tied to Safi armor which is true, because safi set skill completely outperforms other possible skill sets.
LBG in Rice/Sun are the same, they required almost the same set of skills including Rapid Fire, Recoil/Reload, Magazine+ in order to perform well. You still use the same template for all LBG, you just get more freedom in choosing your armor pieces.

[kl250d]

Originally posted by CookedMeat:

Originally posted by Popcorn:

What do you even mean by this statement?

He mentioned elemental LBG in Iceborne are tied to Safi armor which is true, because safi set skill completely outperforms other possible skill sets.
LBG in Rice/Sun are the same, they required almost the same set of skills including Rapid Fire, Recoil/Reload, Magazine+ in order to perform well. You still use the same template for all LBG, you just get more freedom in choosing your armor pieces.

I initially just used the base artillery set which seemed to have most of the skills required to get the job done before i changed it up a bit. I do like the weapon based sets they released

[CookedMeat]

Originally posted by kl250d:

Originally posted by CookedMeat:

He mentioned elemental LBG in Iceborne are tied to Safi armor which is true, because safi set skill completely outperforms other possible skill sets.
LBG in Rice/Sun are the same, they required almost the same set of skills including Rapid Fire, Recoil/Reload, Magazine+ in order to perform well. You still use the same template for all LBG, you just get more freedom in choosing your armor pieces.

I initially just used the base artillery set which seemed to have most of the skills required to get the job done before i changed it up a bit. I do like the weapon based sets they released

They are great for progression indeed, and also a smart way to make up the lack of armor pieces in Rise. (only 1 per monster, unlike World had alpha/beta). Albeit having a smaller roster, they managed to create more armor sets by reusing NPC's model.
Although their effectiveness falls off quite quickly in latest updates even with qurio upgrades, but some pieces still worked alright if you don't care about min maxing.

[Popcorn]

Originally posted by CookedMeat:

Originally posted by Popcorn:

What do you even mean by this statement?

He mentioned elemental LBG in Iceborne are tied to Safi armor which is true, because safi set skill completely outperforms other possible skill sets.
LBG in Rice/Sun are the same, they required almost the same set of skills including Rapid Fire, Recoil/Reload, Magazine+ in order to perform well. You still use the same template for all LBG, you just get more freedom in choosing your armor pieces.

Same set of skills, different pieces of armor.
I think people would prefer this over one set rules all.