Stupid question about flaming espinas bow

[Copy & Cat]

I heard before that melee weapons had both fire and poison status, which makes them very unique weapons but that didn't show on the menu. Is this the same for bow or the other ranged weapons?

i know bows have poison coating and bowguns poison ammo, but never hurt to ask when they are experimenting with new stuff

[Shizuka]

No weapon as a hidden element in rise, so no. If its not shown you wont have the status/element.
Bows in the first place only have status effects via the ammo like bowguns

[kl250d]

Originally posted by Shizuka:

No weapon as a hidden element in rise, so no. If its not shown you wont have the status/element.
Bows in the first place only have status effects via the ammo like bowguns

flaming espinas weapons do in fact poison monsters even though it doesn't show the status for the poison effect on the weapon page.

you only learn this if you read the description of the item

[Copy & Cat]

Originally posted by Shizuka:

No weapon as a hidden element in rise, so no. If its not shown you wont have the status/element.
Bows in the first place only have status effects via the ammo like bowguns

New flaming espinas have both an element and ailment, saw people talking about and new director's note commented about it, so got curious about the bow situation, after all they have blast ailment that i know it's a weird one that causes a chunk of damage every time it procs so was curious if they decided to experiment with a poison bow since i think it would be a neat thing to have

[liberator65853]

The directors not says "Weapons made from Flaming Espinas materials possess two different elements. Only the main element is displayed on the weapon's details screen, but the weapons also possess a poison element that builds up as you attack a monster." So I assume it would be the bows too. It doesn't just say melee weapons

[Olenhol ᶘᵒᴥᵒᶅ]

Originally posted by Shizuka:

No weapon as a hidden element in rise, so no. If its not shown you wont have the status/element.
Bows in the first place only have status effects via the ammo like bowguns

It has. F.Espinas weapons have 1/2ish hidden Poison under their fire.

[Olenhol ᶘᵒᴥᵒᶅ]

Originally posted by liberator65853:

The directors not says "Weapons made from Flaming Espinas materials possess two different elements. Only the main element is displayed on the weapon's details screen, but the weapons also possess a poison element that builds up as you attack a monster." So I assume it would be the bows too. It doesn't just say melee weapons

Problem is, range weapons typicaly dont have statues. They can shoot status ammo, so im not sure.

[Shizuka]

I might have missed that, my bad. Still for Bows it is unlikely due to the fact there were never any statuses for it without coatings, except of blast.

[Fat Pigeon]

Originally posted by Shizuka:

I might have missed that, my bad. Still for Bows it should not be the case since a bow never had a status before except for coatings

blast is a thing on bows

[Shizuka]

Originally posted by Fat Pigeon:

Originally posted by Shizuka:

I might have missed that, my bad. Still for Bows it should not be the case since a bow never had a status before except for coatings

blast

You've got a point, i actually rememberd them a few second earlier. Just to late to change it. But since we talk about flaming espinas, no he does not have a chance to posion, without the Ammo. At least there is nothing in the description and i did not manage to get one poison out with it so far (without coatings).

[Velber]

Originally posted by kl250d:

Originally posted by Shizuka:

No weapon as a hidden element in rise, so no. If its not shown you wont have the status/element.
Bows in the first place only have status effects via the ammo like bowguns

flaming espinas weapons do in fact poison monsters even though it doesn't show the status for the poison effect on the weapon page.

you only learn this if you read the description of the item

That’s dumb of capcom

[kl250d]

Originally posted by Pseudomonarchidaimyo:

Originally posted by kl250d:

flaming espinas weapons do in fact poison monsters even though it doesn't show the status for the poison effect on the weapon page.

you only learn this if you read the description of the item

That’s dumb of capcom

Yeah I'll admit i completely ignored its weapons until i saw a different thread that pointed it out. Its glaive works quite well with the new chameleos armour

[JPM岩]

Originally posted by Pseudomonarchidaimyo:

Originally posted by kl250d:

flaming espinas weapons do in fact poison monsters even though it doesn't show the status for the poison effect on the weapon page.

you only learn this if you read the description of the item

That’s dumb of capcom

It feels like Seregios' weapons in 4U, where it never directly said you could roll to sharpen, it was just sorta, found.

[CookedMeat]

Only melee has such effects, doesn't work for range.
And there are still mysteries around the Flaming Espinas weapon (or perhaps I'm to blind to find the discussions around):
1. Are the poison build up proc chance same with other weapon that has an actual poison stat?
2. Does the poison stat have a real number but is just hidden from the menu?
3. If it does, what is the value and is it affected by armor skills like Poison+?
4. Does Status Trigger affect the poison build up proc? (I tried to test it but due to the messy visual effects I really can't tell)

[JPM岩]

Originally posted by CookedMeat:

Only melee has such effects, doesn't work for range.
And there are still mysteries around the Flaming Espinas weapon (or perhaps I'm to blind to find the discussions around):
1. Are the poison build up proc chance same with other weapon that has an actual poison stat?
2. Does the poison stat have a real number but is just hidden from the menu?
3. If it does, what is the value and is it affected by armor skills like Poison+?
4. Does Status Trigger affect the poison build up proc? (I tried to test it but due to the messy visual effects I really can't tell)

1. Yes. Think of it as dual element.
2.
GS - 40
LS - 28
SnS - 32
DBs - 27
Hammer - 30
HH - 25
Lance - 24
GL - 28
SwAxe - 28
SB - 30
IG - 24
3. Yes. Treat it like it's dual element.
4. Yes. It's literally just poison, treat it like it's dual element.

[Remi]

Originally posted by JPM岩:

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1. Yes. Think of it as dual element.
2.
GS - 40
LS - 28
SnS - 32
DBs - 27
Hammer - 30
HH - 25
Lance - 24
GL - 28
SwAxe - 28
SB - 30
IG - 24
3. Yes. Treat it like it's dual element.
4. Yes. It's literally just poison, treat it like it's dual element.

To clarify, it is not like dual element on Dual Blades or DBs with one element and one status. For these specific weapons one blade applies one element or status while the other blade applies the other element or status. So the displayed values are effectively halved in reality.

Flaming Espinas' weapons do not have this restriction, they can deal both fire damage and inflict poison build up in one and the same swing, and the displayed elemental value and the hidden status value aren't halved.