Is there a reason to pick power phial SAs with the same element as an elemental SA?

[A]

Forgive the possibly dumb question.

Example: A Zinogre SA I think has power phial, but why should I want that over say, Narwa's elemental phial?

Is it logical to pick elemental phials over power if you're looking at the element to counter monsters?

I looked it up and people would say that raw power, you go for power phials and if you want elemental damage, you go elemental phials. How does one go about deciding which switch axe to pick then? Shouldn't the reasoning be: "oh, this monster's weak to electricity, I should pick an elemental phial with electricity damage." Right?

[[DoD] Gard]

Generally, power phials are better overall due to their increased raw damage, and if you can keep up your amped state consistently and make effective use of it, it is overall better. Elemental is typically weaker in most aspects because the damage depending on the parts of the monster have different values etc. There is a document online marking which SwAxes are typically best to use due to slots/elemental power/raw power etc.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RHgaq2zlkGvkuhDarx0JJr7Uws1ciXmJElTxsoUykG4/edit#gid=878129025

[[DoD] Gard]

To answer the second question, it is logical to pick elemental phials to counter monsters, and would be far more effective if you could implement elemental exploit skills, but sometimes it can be difficult if you cannot hit the weakest spots as consistently

[[DoD] Gard]

Narwa's Thunderclap also has no slots and only a white sharpness level, meaning the Zinogre Oppressor's Torrent has slightly more room to develop and create a stronger build

[Nyctophilic Eyeball]

monsters have varying levels of weakness to certain elements. you can view the hitzones of their parts in your hunter notes. the higher the number is, the weaker they are to that element.

for monsters with high elemental hitzones (20 and greater usually), you'll want to bring along an elemental focused build. narwa's SA, for example.

for monsters with elemental hitzones below 20 you'll want to bring a raw build (power phials) that still has a matching element for the monster you're fighting, because the bonus damage from the element still helps. in that case it would be zinogre's.

hope that helped you out

[[DoD] Gard]

But overall, this is just for min/maxing damage and you can generally just use whatever you want, as long as you have fun with it. Personally, sometimes I pick design over utility because some SwAxes just look straight up cooler than others lmao

[A]

thanks for the input, folks!

[JPM岩]

One thing to add is the Rampage skill Switcher. Switcher, while it normally allows you to recharge a ton of Phial by morphing to axe form, it also gives a damage boost. On elemental phials, it's a small 1-2% boost. For some reason tho, it gives Power Phials a 10% damage increase to raw damage. So ideally, a Power Phial SA with high element, natural purple, and a level 3 slot is the ideal choice, as it will outdamage elemental phial. However, these are surprisingly rare, Kushala's some to mind. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2724449203 My SA guide talks about different meta SAs, and reasons why.

[A]

Messaggio originale di JPM岩:

One thing to add is the Rampage skill Switcher. Switcher, while it normally allows you to recharge a ton of Phial by morphing to axe form, it also gives a damage boost. On elemental phials, it's a small 1-2% boost. For some reason tho, it gives Power Phials a 10% damage increase to raw damage. So ideally, a Power Phial SA with high element, natural purple, and a level 3 slot is the ideal choice, as it will outdamage elemental phial. However, these are surprisingly rare, Kushala's some to mind. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2724449203 My SA guide talks about different meta SAs, and reasons why.

thanks, ill give it a look!

[Zelph]

Messaggio originale di DoD Gard:

Generally, power phials are better overall due to their increased raw damage, and if you can keep up your amped state consistently and make effective use of it, it is overall better. Elemental is typically weaker in most aspects because the damage depending on the parts of the monster have different values etc. There is a document online marking which SwAxes are typically best to use due to slots/elemental power/raw power etc.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RHgaq2zlkGvkuhDarx0JJr7Uws1ciXmJElTxsoUykG4/edit#gid=878129025

Element phials are actually very strong. Both in base game and sunbreak. Maybe power phial was the way in other games, rise has a LOT of good switch axes though, especially with sunbreaks elemental levels.

[JPM岩]

Messaggio originale di Zelph77:

Messaggio originale di DoD Gard:

Generally, power phials are better overall due to their increased raw damage, and if you can keep up your amped state consistently and make effective use of it, it is overall better. Elemental is typically weaker in most aspects because the damage depending on the parts of the monster have different values etc. There is a document online marking which SwAxes are typically best to use due to slots/elemental power/raw power etc.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RHgaq2zlkGvkuhDarx0JJr7Uws1ciXmJElTxsoUykG4/edit#gid=878129025

Element phials are actually very strong. Both in base game and sunbreak. Maybe power phial was the way in other games, rise has a LOT of good switch axes though, especially with sunbreaks elemental levels.

Yes, I am well aware. But in Sunbreak, Power Phials with the description I listed, can out damage elemental phials. But theyre extremely rare, and elemental phials will usually do the job better, however, it must be vs eHZV 25 or higher.

[4thQueen]

Messaggio originale di JPM岩:

Messaggio originale di Zelph77:

Element phials are actually very strong. Both in base game and sunbreak. Maybe power phial was the way in other games, rise has a LOT of good switch axes though, especially with sunbreaks elemental levels.

Yes, I am well aware. But in Sunbreak, Power Phials with the description I listed, can out damage elemental phials. But theyre extremely rare, and elemental phials will usually do the job better, however, it must be vs eHZV 25 or higher.

Well, given that you can augment the Rampage deco slot with Qurious Crafting, any 2-slot Power Phial axe can be substantially improved. Yes, the ones that have a 3 slot naturally will have the room to get that +10 attack augment, but the jump from no Switcher deco to having it available is big enough that any Power Phial axe will want it.

Switcher deco is less necessary for Elemental Phial, so I don't bother to augment the deco slot on those, but I will still run it if the axe has a natural 3-slot deco, like the Mudron SAs.

[JPM岩]

Messaggio originale di 4thQueen:

Messaggio originale di JPM岩:

Yes, I am well aware. But in Sunbreak, Power Phials with the description I listed, can out damage elemental phials. But theyre extremely rare, and elemental phials will usually do the job better, however, it must be vs eHZV 25 or higher.

Well, given that you can augment the Rampage deco slot with Qurious Crafting, any 2-slot Power Phial axe can be substantially improved. Yes, the ones that have a 3 slot naturally will have the room to get that +10 attack augment, but the jump from no Switcher deco to having it available is big enough that any Power Phial axe will want it.

Switcher deco is less necessary for Elemental Phial, so I don't bother to augment the deco slot on those, but I will still run it if the axe has a natural 3-slot deco, like the Mudron SAs.

TBH, I'd argue on elemental phials it's still a strong option to upgrade Rampage Deco slots to get Switcher. Switcher as a whole is amazing for QoL, basically giving you infinite Sword meter.

[Max]

Look at hit zone in hunter note, if monster have hit zone like <20 so go for power phial element wp, if >20 go for element phial, element is actually good if you have some little bonus from coal or chain crit... maybe not much with full raw but I mean they look cool lol

[4thQueen]

Messaggio originale di JPM岩:

Messaggio originale di 4thQueen:

Well, given that you can augment the Rampage deco slot with Qurious Crafting, any 2-slot Power Phial axe can be substantially improved. Yes, the ones that have a 3 slot naturally will have the room to get that +10 attack augment, but the jump from no Switcher deco to having it available is big enough that any Power Phial axe will want it.

Switcher deco is less necessary for Elemental Phial, so I don't bother to augment the deco slot on those, but I will still run it if the axe has a natural 3-slot deco, like the Mudron SAs.

TBH, I'd argue on elemental phials it's still a strong option to upgrade Rampage Deco slots to get Switcher. Switcher as a whole is amazing for QoL, basically giving you infinite Sword meter.

Once future updates increase the number of slots for Qurious Weapon Crafting I expect to bump pretty much all possibles Swaxes to a three-slot deco, yeah, but for now it's not THAT big of a deal for Element Phial as it is for Power Phials.

[JPM岩]

Messaggio originale di 4thQueen:

Messaggio originale di JPM岩:

TBH, I'd argue on elemental phials it's still a strong option to upgrade Rampage Deco slots to get Switcher. Switcher as a whole is amazing for QoL, basically giving you infinite Sword meter.

Once future updates increase the number of slots for Qurious Weapon Crafting I expect to bump pretty much all possibles Swaxes to a three-slot deco, yeah, but for now it's not THAT big of a deal for Element Phial as it is for Power Phials.

Ehhh, even then, I'd argue trying to get Switcher, unless Sharpness Aug boosts you to purple. Raw boosts are pointless on ele phial SAs, and elemental boosts usually add very little to make them worth taking the slot. But yeah, maybe down the line they'd be better to go for, but as of TU1, theyre arent worth it.