Greatsword switch skills

[meowbeast]

Why does hunting edge cost two bugs but adamant charged slash cost one? Am I missing something here, or do you think the developers accidentally switched bug costs?

[Bummer6]

What makes you think it's not meant to be that way?

[meowbeast]

It seems like ACS has greater utility because of the hyper armor, but I'm not really sure. That's why I asked if I was missing something. I'm not a very good GS user.

[Plumber]

ACS is extremely useful even without the super armor aspect because it puts you straight into Strong Charge, meaning you’re one step away from TCS/Rage, on top of allowing you to freely aim and position 360 degrees. It feels natural and helps the weapon from being too reliant on fishing for TCS and nothing else.

I imagine Hunting Edge would see more use for similar reasons if it didn’t cost two bugs for no reason, especially since you can do more or less the same thing by sheathing, jumping into the air, and doing an air Lvl3.

[Mandalorian Deathknight]

With ACS it block roars and i think tremors also with the anti knock back from monsters
gun lance and long sword users when powered up

[Netsa]

You're not missing anything. I guess HE costs more because they didn't want GS spamming aerials, especially since the DPS on the move isn't half bad (the aerial attack from HE does extra damage, and there's a sweet-looking "Link's d-air" option).

The thing is, since ACS puts you one step away from a Rage/TCS, and positions you at the same time, it's always going to be better. Even if Hunting Edge only costed one, it punishes the player way too much for missing it. I've seen some people compare it to the Moonbreaker art in MHGU, but Moonbreaker was a lot more reliable.

I like HE, I use it, but yes, it really is just undertuned weirdness.

[Plumber]

Moonbreaker also had a really nice partbreak modifier on top of mounting not being out of control in MHGU

[Dr. W]

I honestly don't feel Hunting Edge has enough utility to warrant a cost of 2. I've tried both, and I've had many applications for ACS. But Hunting Edge rarely gets used when I can just sheath my GS and wirebug above the target.

[Dr. W]

Originally posted by Netsa:

You're not missing anything. I guess HE costs more because they didn't want GS spamming aerials, especially since the DPS on the move isn't half bad (the aerial attack from HE does extra damage, and there's a sweet-looking "Link's d-air" option).

The thing is, since ACS puts you one step away from a Rage/TCS, and positions you at the same time, it's always going to be better. Even if Hunting Edge only costed one, it punishes the player way too much for missing it. I've seen some people compare it to the Moonbreaker art in MHGU, but Moonbreaker was a lot more reliable.

I like HE, I use it, but yes, it really is just undertuned weirdness.

GS can already easily spam aerials if you sheath often. That's how I've been getting rath back breaks.

[Netsa]

Originally posted by Dr. W:

GS can already easily spam aerials if you sheath often. That's how I've been getting rath back breaks.

I've seen that advice on the forums, but that feels really awkward to me. Sheathing just to do an aerial feels like a big waste of time. Wouldn't it be better to just grab an extra bug and use Wirebug Whisperer?

Also, can't you break her back while she's toppled instead of spamming aerials? Unless you're just going for the part break and then abandoning quest.

[Dr. W]

Originally posted by Netsa:

Originally posted by Dr. W:

GS can already easily spam aerials if you sheath often. That's how I've been getting rath back breaks.

I've seen that advice on the forums, but that feels really awkward to me. Sheathing just to do an aerial feels like a big waste of time. Wouldn't it be better to just grab an extra bug and use Wirebug Whisperer?

Also, can't you break her back while she's toppled instead of spamming aerials? Unless you're just going for the part break and then abandoning quest.

I thought it was awkward as well at first, but I got used to it over time. Playing since 1st generation, sheathing the GS for mobility and doing targeted draw attacks has always been frequent part of my tactics kit. So adding the 1 bug jump with either the R2 or Triangle attack didn't take much changeup. (Certainly quicker than using Hunting Edge in practice. I've gotten more attacks this way than with Hunting Edge. As the by the time I'm back on the floor, the next wirebug is ready, and can instantly repeat.)

As for waiting for topples, that's just inefficient. You're wasting Monster HP that can be spent breaking other parts. There are also only so many practical times you can topple a monster, limiting your chances on certain breaks. So what will you do when there are no topples between where you are and when the monster will die?

As for the last statement, I try to go for full monster breaks since I usually hunt solo or in a coordinated group of friends, anyway. More parts broken is more money.

[Netsa]

Originally posted by Dr. W:

I thought it was awkward as well at first, but I got used to it over time. Playing since 1st generation, sheathing the GS for mobility and doing targeted draw attacks has always been frequent part of my tactics kit. So adding the 1 bug jump with either the R2 or Triangle attack didn't take much changeup. (Certainly quicker than using Hunting Edge in practice. I've gotten more attacks this way than with Hunting Edge. As the by the time I'm back on the floor, the next wirebug is ready, and can instantly repeat.)

As for waiting for topples, that's just inefficient. You're wasting Monster HP that can be spent breaking other parts. There are also only so many practical times you can topple a monster, limiting your chances on certain breaks. So what will you do when there are no topples between where you are and when the monster will die?

As for the last statement, I try to go for full monster breaks since I usually hunt solo or in a coordinated group of friends, anyway. More parts broken is more money.

I don't mean sheathing often, I mean sheathing specifically to do an aerial. My weapon tends to be out a little bit more often in Rise than it's been in older games, especially if I'm near the monster, so it's always more convenient for me to just activate Hunting Edge after my regular attack. If I'm targeting the monster's back, I'll just do the HE flip on their back.

I'm not sure that's inefficient, either. If you're hunting solo, and you're not leaving the hunt early, you're going to get the part break pretty easily. Inefficiency is going for full monster breaks. Why not just go for your target part and leave it at that? You'll finish the hunt faster and rake in more mats overall.

[Dr. W]

Originally posted by Netsa:

Originally posted by Dr. W:

I thought it was awkward as well at first, but I got used to it over time. Playing since 1st generation, sheathing the GS for mobility and doing targeted draw attacks has always been frequent part of my tactics kit. So adding the 1 bug jump with either the R2 or Triangle attack didn't take much changeup. (Certainly quicker than using Hunting Edge in practice. I've gotten more attacks this way than with Hunting Edge. As the by the time I'm back on the floor, the next wirebug is ready, and can instantly repeat.)

As for waiting for topples, that's just inefficient. You're wasting Monster HP that can be spent breaking other parts. There are also only so many practical times you can topple a monster, limiting your chances on certain breaks. So what will you do when there are no topples between where you are and when the monster will die?

As for the last statement, I try to go for full monster breaks since I usually hunt solo or in a coordinated group of friends, anyway. More parts broken is more money.

I don't mean just sheathing often, I mean sheathing specifically to do an aerial. My weapon tends to be out a little bit more often in Rise than it's been in older games, especially if I'm near the monster, so it's always more convenient for me to just activate Hunting Edge after my regular attack. If I'm targeting the monster's back, I'll just do the HE flip on their back.

I'm not sure that's inefficient, either. If you're hunting solo, and you're not leaving the hunt early, you're going to get the part break pretty easily. Inefficiency is going for full monster breaks. Why not just go for your target part and leave it at that? You'll finish the hunt faster and rake in more mats overall.

Mostly because that's how I have fun with the game. I enjoy playing the game thoroughly, not by being quick, and, to my opinion, sloppy. I am satisfied when I feel I got everything I could out of a hunt, and I am not satisfied with hunts where I have to kill or capture the monster before I'd completely broken it, especially when I know I could have. (And from an RP perspective, gotta use the whole bison) For my purposes of that, I consider damage that's not going to objectives to be wasted damage, and a sign of inaccuracy. But that's just a playstyle, which I cannot hold to others. So I will not.

To what is relevant to the OP subject, it was to my point that the aerial attack while sheathed is quite easy to do, and is not only cheaper than the Hunting Edge, but can be used more frequently. Though is unfortunately more tricky and takes more practice to do reliably. But I have no reason to use Hunting Edge in its current state because it's too expensive to be worth it in comparison to the toolkit I already have.

[Monkeyhunter2142]

By the time you finish hunting edge into wide slash into tcs, your bugs are almost back. Don't be deterred by the bug cost, it recharges extremely fast.

[Veritas]

the wirebug recharge rate on hunting edge isn't so bad, but the move itself is still hot garbage. but i guess you can say, "at least it isn't twin vine"

[Plumber]

twin vine could be free and I would still never use it, and this is as someone that finds excuses to use everything he can