Question About the Ninja Sword

[RED NOVEMBER]

I built the ninja sword since it has 100% affinity.

Sadly I'm feeling buyers remorse since there are some times when my attacks won't crit like hitting the back or armored parts of the monster.

So does affinity not work on armored parts? I crit 100% of the time when I'm hitting the squishy parts of the monster.

[Bum]

crit doesn't really exist, affinity increases dmg on weak spots, if you don't hit a weak spot yo udon't get affinity simple as that. It's called crit because it's the easier to refere to and what else would you call it. It just doens't work like a crit % you would expect in other games.

[Seamus]

Originally posted by Bum:

crit doesn't really exist, affinity increases dmg on weak spots, if you don't hit a weak spot yo udon't get affinity simple as that. It's called crit because it's the easier to refere to and what else would you call it. It just doens't work like a crit % you would expect in other games.

What you're describing is weakness exploit, not affinity.

[Bum]

Originally posted by Seamus:

Originally posted by Bum:

crit doesn't really exist, affinity increases dmg on weak spots, if you don't hit a weak spot yo udon't get affinity simple as that. It's called crit because it's the easier to refere to and what else would you call it. It just doens't work like a crit % you would expect in other games.

What you're describing is weakness exploit, not affinity.

read the description of weakness exploit. they are linked. And if you have a better explanation go on

[Seamus]

Originally posted by Bum:

Originally posted by Seamus:

What you're describing is weakness exploit, not affinity.

read the description of weakness exploit. they are linked. And if you have a better explanation go on

No, they are not linked.

Weakness Exploit is affected by the hitzone value and only increases your affinity on zones above(if memory serves, and if rise didn't change it from world) 45.

Affinity is static crit chance and always has been.

[Bum]

Originally posted by Seamus:

Originally posted by Bum:

read the description of weakness exploit. they are linked. And if you have a better explanation go on

No, they are not linked.

Weakness Exploit is affected by the hitzone value and only increases your affinity on zones above(if memory serves, and if rise didn't change it from world) 45.

Affinity is static crit chance and always has been.

yeah i read that on reddit but it has nothing to do with what's being discussed here. Affinity gives no crit if yo udon't hit a weak spot. It's alwyas been like that. Weakness xploit gives yo uaffinity and creates the "crit" dmg if you get enough affinity of out the weak spot.

having affinity by default gies you more chnces of hitting a crit when hitting a weak spot.

[Bum]

Originally posted by Seamus:

Originally posted by Bum:

read the description of weakness exploit. they are linked. And if you have a better explanation go on

No, they are not linked.

Weakness Exploit is affected by the hitzone value and only increases your affinity on zones above(if memory serves, and if rise didn't change it from world) 45.

Affinity is static crit chance and always has been.

gotta love how you also put "if memory serves right" whe nthis is the first topic yo uget from reddit when you search on google lol my man tries to look smart but has n oidea how it works so he has to google and write something without understanding it.

[Seamus]

Originally posted by Bum:

yeah i read that on reddit but it has nothing to do with what's being discussed here. Affinity gives no crit if yo udon't hit a weak spot. It's alwyas been like that. Weakness xploit gives yo uaffinity and creates the "crit" dmg if you get enough affinity of out the weak spot.

Where the hell did you get an idea like that?

That has never been how affinity works in monster hunter.

Ever.

Only weakness exploit is affected by the hitzone value.

[Seamus]

Originally posted by Bum:

having affinity by default gies you more chnces of hitting a crit when hitting a weak spot.

Having affinity is what lets you crit at all.

It's literally just crit chance.

That's all it has EVER been.

[Mayo]

Originally posted by RED NOVEMBER:

I built the ninja sword since it has 100% affinity.

Sadly I'm feeling buyers remorse since there are some times when my attacks won't crit like hitting the back or armored parts of the monster.

So does affinity not work on armored parts? I crit 100% of the time when I'm hitting the squishy parts of the monster.

To answer your question, you're still critting with 100% affinity even if you hit an armored spot.

The confusion probably arises from colours? Orange numbers just means you hit a spot with 40+ hitzone value, depending on the sharpness of your weapon. White numbers means you hit a spot with less than 40 value (but again, depending on the sharpness of your weapon).

You should still be critting (sound effect, red light particles and the big red line), just that the number will still be white, and 25% - 40% (w/ CB3) on low damage zones isn't particularly noticeable.

If you don't want to test it out yourself, you can watch any old Ninja Sword run on youtube and keep an eye out for the telltale blinding line indicating a crit occurred (that you've probably learned to zone out after so many hours since it's pretty annoying) - when you're looking out for it, you'll see it on every hit, even for white numbers or bad hit zones.

[Seamus]

Seriously, if you're going to try to insult me, at least be right with your claims.

https://mhworld.kiranico.com/guide/damage#critical-hit

Affinity is crit chance. It is not affected by hitzones.

Weakness Exploit INCREASES crit chance, but only on zones with a high enough HZV.

This is how crit has always worked in monster hunter and how weakness exploit has worked since Gen/Gen U.

[RED NOVEMBER]

Originally posted by Mayo:

Originally posted by RED NOVEMBER:

I built the ninja sword since it has 100% affinity.

Sadly I'm feeling buyers remorse since there are some times when my attacks won't crit like hitting the back or armored parts of the monster.

So does affinity not work on armored parts? I crit 100% of the time when I'm hitting the squishy parts of the monster.

To answer your question, you're still critting with 100% affinity even if you hit an armored spot.

The confusion probably arises from colours? Orange numbers just means you hit a spot with 40+ hitzone value, depending on the sharpness of your weapon. White numbers means you hit a spot with less than 40 value (but again, depending on the sharpness of your weapon).

You should still be critting (sound effect, red light particles and the big red line), just that the number will still be white, and 25% - 40% (w/ CB3) on low damage zones isn't particularly noticeable.

I see. So I'm still criting it just not orange gotcha.

I was seriously just considering changing my weapon and just build weakness exploit. Thanks for the info.

[RED NOVEMBER]

Originally posted by Seamus:

Seriously, if you're going to try to insult me, at least be right with your claims.

https://mhworld.kiranico.com/guide/damage#critical-hit

Affinity is crit chance. It is not affected by hitzones.

Weakness Exploit INCREASES crit chance, but only on zones with a high enough HZV.

This is how crit has always worked in monster hunter and how weakness exploit has worked since Gen/Gen U.

I agree with you. Crit should work for all body parts which is why I was surprised I didn't see any.

Apparantly I still crit its just a hard body part so the damage is reduced.

Thank goodness! This way I don't need to build weakness exploit and I can focus on bashing armored parts with my shield with crit damage mwahahahah.

[Seamus]

Originally posted by RED NOVEMBER:

Originally posted by Seamus:

Seriously, if you're going to try to insult me, at least be right with your claims.

https://mhworld.kiranico.com/guide/damage#critical-hit

Affinity is crit chance. It is not affected by hitzones.

Weakness Exploit INCREASES crit chance, but only on zones with a high enough HZV.

This is how crit has always worked in monster hunter and how weakness exploit has worked since Gen/Gen U.

I agree with you. Crit should work for all body parts which is why I was surprised I didn't see any.

Apparantly I still crit its just a hard body part so the damage is reduced.

Thank goodness! This way I don't need to build weakness exploit and I can focus on bashing armored parts with my shield with crit damage mwahahahah.

While I'm not personally terribly fond of the ninja sword, that IS one upside to it.

Shame the slots are level 1 slots though. Most good stuff got bumped to level 2 slots.

Though, you can throw bombardier decos in there and learn how to use large barrel bombs to trigger the counter effect on metsu shoryugeki. Or you can get fancy and do it with thrown small barrel bombs, but, god that's a tight window.

[CookedMeat]

Originally posted by Bum:

Affinity gives no crit if yo udon't hit a weak spot. It's alwyas been like that.

What you are describing here is 'Weakness Exploit'. Affinity is just another name for crit rate. Regardless of which part you hit, the chance for getting a crit damage is the percentage of your affinity. 'Weakness Exploit' however is a conditional skill, which when you hit a soft part, that specific attack landed will gain an increase in affinity%, thus easier to crit.
It has always been like this since the introduction of affinity and also Weakness Exploit.

Originally posted by RED NOVEMBER:

I see. So I'm still criting it just not orange gotcha.

The color of your damage number (and sound effect the hit makes) only indicates the part you hit is soft of hard. There's a not-very-visible visual effects that indicates a crit if you looked closely, but I still prefer the World style indication.

[Seamus]

Originally posted by CookedMeat:

Originally posted by Bum:

Affinity gives no crit if yo udon't hit a weak spot. It's alwyas been like that.

What you are describing here is 'Weakness Exploit'. Affinity is just another name for crit rate. Regardless of which part you hit, the chance for getting a crit damage is the percentage of your affinity. 'Weakness Exploit' however is a conditional skill, which when you hit a soft part, that specific attack landed will gain an increase in affinity%, thus easier to crit.
It has always been like this since the introduction of affinity and also Weakness Exploit.

Nah. Weakness exploit was a 5% raw damage increase on higher hitzones when it first showed up in 4/4U.

Gen is when it changed to the crit version we have now.