Hunting Horn: What have they done?

[Exú Marabô]

It's terrible. Just terrible.. Smash buttons and play music freely, that's it?

[Xenos]

I'd say the clown awards are coming but I legitimately think everyone in the forum ran out of steam points clown bombing every single post

[Kaligath]

Great another one of those who do not like a change that when you play the full game will understand why its such a good change.

You are aware later on in the game you can change your wire-bug ability that give reason to why it is the way it is.

[DaBa]

Considering virtually every single person I've seen talking about new HH praises it as a godlike improvement and a much needed change, I think it's fair to say OP is either an unsuccessful troll, or inept at the weapon.

[Plenum]

I've played quite a bit of HH in Worldborne, OP has a point folks. On a first impression it feels very different and dumbed down in the demo; It can be tweaked in the full game so you can manually play the songs, but even then the imputs for each changed from a mix of As, Xs, and A+Xs to three of the same in a row, so it will feel less involved no matter what. The consensus seems to be that the tweaks in the full game serve the weapon better when used for support tho, so the way the weapon is set in the demo is what one will want to use for everyday hunts.
Another major change is that now the infernal SPEENcerto is something you need to build up through normal combat, it was way too good of a move to spam in Iceborne, so i get why they decided to change it.
Give it a couple hunts I'd say, it's not that bad once you get used to the changes. It's not as involved, but still fun, and way more accessible.

TL;DR: Horn feels like it went from a Guiter Hero controller to a Fisher-Price Toy, but still smashes heads good, still fun.

[JPM岩]

Theres luckily a Switch Skill that makes HH like old HH, and I think it buffs the HH as well. In the full game, the spammy Rise HH is also a lot weaker.

[Kaligath]

Originally posted by JPM岩:

Theres luckily a Switch Skill that makes HH like old HH, and I think it buffs the HH as well. In the full game, the spammy Rise HH is also a lot weaker.

Yep you are 100% correct the reason for this is so people who like using elemental weapons get a spammy alternative compared to the slow hitting raw damage version.

It was one of the main issues with world that some weapons was forced more optimised as a raw damage wile others being elemental damage due to how fast they hit with the new system depending on what skills you have set up can make weapons for both raw or elemental viable.

[The Rizzler]

Originally posted by Exú Marabô:

It's terrible. Just terrible.. Smash buttons and play music freely, that's it?

what?
why do agree it doesn't plan on hunting horn it's kind of like a light hammer and What and what are you defending World Hunting horn? all you do is spin the damn thing at least you actually get the use it as a weapon and not be Mr. Garen from League

Originally posted by Xenos:

I'd say the clown awards are coming but I legitimately think everyone in the forum ran out of steam points clown bombing every single post

i still got points but I would be at a point every time I had to throw a jester on each one of your dumb comments but i will give ya once just this time

[Exú Marabô]

Originally posted by Xenos:

I'd say the clown awards are coming but I legitimately think everyone in the forum ran out of steam points clown bombing every single post

Why did I get or should I receive clowns? It's not a funny post, I'm legitimely sad with the new hunting horn, the fighting is awful.

Originally posted by DaBa:

Considering virtually every single person I've seen talking about new HH praises it as a godlike improvement and a much needed change, I think it's fair to say OP is either an unsuccessful troll, or inept at the weapon.

I've used HH a lot and the new mechanic is awful. All you need to do is smash buttons and play music, there is barely any strategical play to do. Your reward for playing properly is non existant! In games like World you would feel great for landing a music combo, now you don't feel like that anymore.

Originally posted by Plenum:

TL;DR: Horn feels like it went from a Guiter Hero controller to a Fisher-Price Toy, but still smashes heads good, still fun.

EXACTLY! It's just like playing guitar hero, but for dummies and children.

Originally posted by JPM岩:

Theres luckily a Switch Skill that makes HH like old HH, and I think it buffs the HH as well. In the full game, the spammy Rise HH is also a lot weaker.

Good to know! The way they remade it is terrible. The lack of power is also horrible.

[kukukachu]

Originally posted by Exú Marabô:

:(
I'm sorry people aren't taking your question seriously. I know the feeling of hurt feelings and I feel you.
So, the best way that I can explain RIse is that it's a game made by the portable handheld Monster Hunter team. Apparently there are two teams that make the games.

1 the mainline team
2 the portable team

If we look at Rise, we realize that almost everything about it is "streamlined". They've basically made the game as simple and cut and dry as they can. Go get monster and kill it. They've also done away with having to gather 3 times and they made buffs easy to find on the way to your fight, not to mention the doggo riding. This is great for people that just want to get into the meat and potatoes of the game. It's fast, it's snappy, it's easy. This is great for people on the go. Something you can play for a little bit, then put away easily. Everything that World was Rise isn't.

Rise is not World. I have come to that conclusion and it doesn't have to be. I'm actually really glad that there are 2 teams, because there are two demographics and Capcom seems to understand that.

I guess we'll have to see what they do with the new mainline Monster Hunter when it gets announced.

I hope that this was insightful or at least something to ponder on.

[Lucas Tigy]

let's not forget that they nerfed the buffs too as you can only really give "attack up S" and "attack up L" is only accessible with infernal melody. at least all horns technically have access to attack up L now, but there's no XL. there are no encores or extensions
the switch skill still doesn't actually make it like old horn, it's similar in that you can play each note once then play all the songs at one, but you still don't have access to the multitude of songs without swapping horns and it's more of a situational choice based on what horn you have

[Kosher Pork ✞ Jesus Saves ✞]

This new hunting horn we have access to in the demo is just one of two alternatives, as folks have said the classic is still in the game. I like it because as someone said, can make elemental ones more viable. Frankly I wish every weapon had a fast/slow style to capitalize on that, Variety is the spice of life and my taint gets twisted seeing all the piles upon piles of elemental greatswords that will quite literally never be used by anyone who knows what they're doing.

I think the main mistake capcom made here(with the demo) is not giving us access to the different styles and wirebug moves of weapons. Yeah, I get you wanna tease and hype the main game by holding out some content - it's a demo after all, but it's sort of having the opposite effect in this case. The demo gives the appearance that they utterly shafted Insect Glaive for example, and I was quite salty until I heard we still have our super dragoon dive even if it's delegated to a wirebug move.


I'm holding out until Sunbreak given it's just a few extra months out and hoping against hope other weapons get the HH treatment or moveset updates/alternatives, I strongly prefer how IG played in Iceborne, especially given it was my main squeeze next to Hunting Horn.

[Lucas Tigy]

Originally posted by Kosher Pork ✞ Jesus Saves ✞:

This new hunting horn we have access to in the demo is just one of two alternatives, as folks have said the classic is still in the game. I like it because as someone said, can make elemental ones more viable. Frankly I wish every weapon had a fast/slow style to capitalize on that, Variety is the spice of life and my taint gets twisted seeing all the piles upon piles of elemental greatswords that will quite literally never be used by anyone who knows what they're doing.

I think the main mistake capcom made here(with the demo) is not giving us access to the different styles and wirebug moves of weapons. Yeah, I get you wanna tease and hype the main game by holding out some content - it's a demo after all, but it's sort of having the opposite effect in this case. The demo gives the appearance that they utterly shafted Insect Glaive for example, and I was quite salty until I heard we still have our super dragoon dive even if it's delegated to a wirebug move.


I'm holding out until Sunbreak given it's just a few extra months out and hoping against hope other weapons get the HH treatment or moveset updates/alternatives, I strongly prefer how IG played in Iceborne, especially given it was my main squeeze next to Hunting Horn.

the "classic" HH is not actually in the game, it's more of an attempt to make it more like the old style, but functionally, it's still the same filler combos with limited and weaker songs

also, what's wrong with IG in rise? it's functionally the same and anyone complaining about extracts have the choice to simplify the process greatly with added damage on top. you even get a buff to the downward stab now for doing aerial combos so there's more of a reason to stay in the air

[Kosher Pork ✞ Jesus Saves ✞]

Guess I misheard in regards to the horn, oh well.

When I say I preferred the IG in Iceborne I mean the dragoon dive was basically a bread and butter attack I could use constantly without needing a bug/cooldown, and I could just shoot the bug at a monster as opposed to having to use a wirebug move to get an extract. The IG of Iceborne appears to be significantly different from the demo glaive unless they've completely rebinded everything and my muscle memory's just being a pain.

I don't actually own Rise so the demo and its limited content all I've got for now and my knowledge of the game's lacking. I'm not saying the insect glaive was shafted, but thats the impression it gave me before I heard there were other options. I'm aware there are different bugs in the main game I.E powder, assist, etc, I'm guessing bug type gives us different movesets and one of them's the Iceborne one?

Edit:Just played a bit more, I can't seem to fire a pheromone pellet but I can whack a monster and mark it along with firing a bug while unsheathing? It only appears to last a couple seconds though and my bug never goes for it if I manage to toss it out, all of my extract gatherings pretty much just been me randomly tossing the thing in the general direction of the monster in one of the few moments it's holding still. I'll be honest, I have no idea what I'm doing and the guidebook isn't telling me much. Even if it's functionally similar it definately plays differently, I can fire up a new game on Iceborne with no armor skills and it's like sliding into a warm bath, whatever the Rise Demo glaive is I feel like it's been made deliberately abstruse for no good reason.

Again, I'm not saying it's shafted in the main game as I haven't played it, all I can say is thatthe demo one is going to shock people coming fresh from Iceborne and probably give a bad first impression.

[Feiticeira Supervixen]

Originally posted by Kaligath:

Great another one of those who do not like a change that when you play the full game will understand why its such a good change.

You are aware later on in the game you can change your wire-bug ability that give reason to why it is the way it is.

Oh no, somebody who has an opinion based on a demo, he's such a bad person ! How is he supposed to know about the full game ? Why Rise fans are so defensive ? That's weird as hell, OP wasn't even disrespectful towards the game or anybody. People need to chill.

Originally posted by DaBa:

Considering virtually every single person I've seen talking about new HH praises it as a godlike improvement and a much needed change, I think it's fair to say OP is either an unsuccessful troll, or inept at the weapon.

Then you didn't read anybody's opinion because the changes in Rise HH aren't very loved either in mh discords or reddit

[Xenos]

You're getting clowned because you said "Rise bad". That is strictly forbidden in the "Rise good" echo chamber.