Loving the game but I think it's too easy to break

[SweetPotatoes]

I'm talking about the exp orbs and the buns (specially the buns, they give too much of the selected attribute) I mean, you can level up like that and never fight mobs. The boat mini game gives you plenty... Is this possible?
As I said, I'm loving the game. But that minigame... It wants me to exploit it. It's hard to contain the urge.

Plus, fights are really easy (hard mode) Does it get hard like previously Bravely titles?

[Melodia]

I mean, I suppose if you idle the game for hours and not play it, yes.
If you actually play the game, no.

[SweetPotatoes]

Originally posted by Melodia:

I mean, I suppose if you idle the game for hours and not play it, yes.
If you actually play the game, no.

Yeah I know it's my problem! I hate the option to level up being idle exists. But I guess it will be useful when you are high level and have to grind too much.

[AH-1 Cobra]

If you think that's busted, then wait until you get Beastmaster level 12!

[SweetPotatoes]

Originally posted by crimsonedge11:

If you think that's busted, then wait until you get Beastmaster level 12!

Oh god.
Regarding difficulty: Is this easy all the way up until the end? I'm playing on hard and nothing difficult is happening. I barely have to plan to win.

[Melodia]

Originally posted by SweetPotatoes:

Regarding difficulty: Is this easy all the way up until the end? I'm playing on hard and nothing difficult is happening. I barely have to plan to win.

Well aren't you just a special snowflake.

[SweetPotatoes]

Originally posted by Melodia:

Originally posted by SweetPotatoes:

Regarding difficulty: Is this easy all the way up until the end? I'm playing on hard and nothing difficult is happening. I barely have to plan to win.

Well aren't you just a special snowflake.

I am the princess of a country called Special Snowflake

[omega]

Originally posted by SweetPotatoes:

Yeah I know it's my problem! I hate the option to level up being idle exists. But I guess it will be useful when you are high level and have to grind too much.

The idle game doesn't even come close to the rewards from farming and from what I've seen it doesn't seem to scale into higher levels. If there is anything broken in the game it's not the boat exploration.

[Tyrant]

Originally posted by Melodia:

I mean, I suppose if you idle the game for hours and not play it, yes.
If you actually play the game, no.

Even if you actually play the game, You can pop fresh fish and effortlessly farm the beach, max out Freelancer in less than an hour. Then whenever you get a new job, you can go farm Leaanan Sith for 1234 exp and 210 jp in less than a minute. If you run both JP boosts, you'll get almost 360 JP. Doing this will let you take a job from 1-12 in at most 30 minutes. This will also result in you gaining multiple levels up through your 30s easily. Then whenever you go fight a boss, simply switch to Freelancer main job, and Berserker or Thief secondary. Either way you go, you just set it up to go Barehanded Brawler, and equip as much MP increasing accessories as possible. Then you queue up 4x Amped Strikes or Godspeed Strike, and pretty much just kill the boss in one round.

[Muuhnkin]

Originally posted by omega:

Originally posted by SweetPotatoes:

Yeah I know it's my problem! I hate the option to level up being idle exists. But I guess it will be useful when you are high level and have to grind too much.

The idle game doesn't even come close to the rewards from farming and from what I've seen it doesn't seem to scale into higher levels. If there is anything broken in the game it's not the boat exploration.

when you want to break the game:
Thief+ 2x Thief legendary dagger = 99 buns per fight xD

you can reach all stats 999 in about 3-4h for all characters

Edit:
and there is Redmage xD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lwZcSBEhKM

[omega]

Originally posted by Muuhnkin:

when you want to break the game:
Thief+ 2x Thief legendary dagger = 99 buns per fight xD

you can reach all stats 999 in about 3-4h for all characters

Does equipping the dagger actually increase the steal chance?

Originally posted by Muuhnkin:

Edit:
and there is Redmage xD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lwZcSBEhKM

Impressive, though maybe you should mark that video as a spoiler given the boss you're fighting.

[Zarian]

Originally posted by Melodia:

I mean, I suppose if you idle the game for hours and not play it, yes.
If you actually play the game, no.

Using certain abilities you can farm a TON of buns from certain enemies. Way faster then leaving the game on idle.

But that was kind of the charm of BD series, with certain class combos you can do some awesome stuff.

[Izunyami]

Yeah, the game is super easy if you use exploits. Especially when you get obliterate and quickly hit max level/job level...

But if you don't use any exploits specifically, avoiding freelancer second specialty bonus, beastmaster stat boosts, godspeed strike, grinding buns, etc, the game is brutally hard. I managed to beat 95% of the game under hard while avoiding the exploits, but it was definitely fairly hard. But the battles against asterisk users (like BD1's loop-sequence boss fights) are brutal. Like, unfair brutal.

And then you use the exploits and kill them in a few turns without much sweat... the balance swings wildly.

[Melodia]

Yeah that's just it -- the game IS quite hard if you don't go out of your way to find ways to break it. It's pretty clear they designed the game this way too -- it allows people who want the challenge to very easily get it, while leaning into the meta of the previous games which also had some crazy broken stuff. I find it bizzare people complain about the game being easy when they purposefully go out of their way to grind....

[The Time Traveler]

I find even with grinding some of this stuff is impossible to beat. will have to come back later in the storyline to do some of it. When im higher lvl. these players easily beating that content must have overleveled hard cuz there are definitely things along the way your supposed to come back for later.

[Sakhari]

Originally posted by Izunyami:

Yeah, the game is super easy if you use exploits.

Unless we're defining 'exploit' as 'literally any approach that makes the combat quick and easy', none of the mechanics you described are exploits.

Breaking this game isn't some esoteric process that the average player would need a guide to figure out. The game hands you a fast-forward feature that makes grinding quick and easy with encounters that last less than 5 seconds. It hands you food items that were clearly intended to make grinding more rewarding. It allows you to farm permanent stat boosts via those 5 second fights in the first chapter - something most rpgs either have hard limits on or restrict to a more difficult late-game process. It makes it easy to cap jobs in about 15 minutes and one of those first jobs gives you one of the strongest attacks in the game on top of those other broken passives.

Now I'm not too bothered by the game being easy and hideously unbalanced and you can certainly opt not to take advantage of all of these very obvious and clearly intended mechanics but it 'is' very much a game where the challenge comes from tying your own hands and to some, that's not a very satisfying design philosophy.