I disagree with the Leland nerf

[VexTheHex]

Connie and Cook rule the game. Both of these character far surpass their peers in power level. Compare Connie to Sonnie or Cook to Johnny to see how busted they both are. Cook makes the 5th exit of Gas Station manageable when nobody else really can... which should be alarming to his power level.

Bugged HH and bugged Sissy ruin it with Gas Station's 5th exit and chain door stuns joining in. All of these need fixed and adjusted.

Bubba 1/2 shots and the special exits come behind this. Both can end the game way too quickly.

Not sure why Leland's shoulder check was put at the top of the list.

[VexTheHex]

Origineel geplaatst door bc:

Origineel geplaatst door VexTheHex:

I was pointing out flaws on both sides that are way more of a problem than a lengthy cool down stun which is basically all of Leland's purpose of existing.

just avoid ladders? problem solved.

Trash solution for a game breaking bug. Also trapping both ladder escapes and having a family camp each of the 3 stair exits basically locks the victims down. They either have to go through a family member or lose access to half their game play.

Origineel geplaatst door Gash Basher:

Clearly you haven't played killer and Leland wins 2 struggles against you and then shoulder checks you trying to kill him makes it impossible when he can abuse 3 stuns against you constantly he needs nerfing. And for reference I only play leland and don't abuse him but still think he needs a nerf or to nerf 1v1 struggles

If any Victim is chaining struggle fights with you... they are asking to be 1 shot since it alerts everyone, provides an aura, and it verily lengthy leading to many victims getting insta'd during their "win" animation. And any victim with 2 bone shards isn't a victim with pick locks, fuses, or valves.

Origineel geplaatst door Admiraldrock:

Origineel geplaatst door VexTheHex:

Cook makes the 5th exit of Gas Station manageable when nobody else really can... which should be alarming to his power level.
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Cook is meh to me, i do not see why people dont use hitchhiker more for that door.
You can lock the entry door from the inside as him with the latch, then trap the gap. So that they have to break the door first (giving you a sound alert) or they will step in the trap squeezing through the gap. Both sound alerts, compared to a lock with no. But add the lock, and you got extra lockdown.
Now if only he could lock the fuse box or water pressure after a handle was added (stop it form spinning)

For Cook on Gas Station, throw the locks on the two gates leading into the gen area. You can end up guarding them, valve, grandpa, and fuse depending on the spawns. The one gate at the back of the building isn't far either. If Sissy wasn't a bugged mess, HH would be in every match alongside Cook.

Origineel geplaatst door CozyKhayla:

To be honest, i agree. Every patch they've released thus far has been a nerf for victims while they barely fix the bugs from the killers. Most matches connie only uses her ability once so why even bother increasing the CD and killers constantly complaining leland can stun them just want him to stand there afk for an easy kill. Like why is it so bad you get stunned once every what 3 minutes? You tell your team he used his ability on you so its safe for your other 2 team mates to chase him?

Yep. Victims certainly need some stuff toned down just as Family does. Leland's ability shouldn't be anywhere near the top of balance changes though.

Origineel geplaatst door Lord Reekris:

Origineel geplaatst door VexTheHex:

Connie and Cook rule the game. Both of these character far surpass their peers in power level. Compare Connie to Sonnie or Cook to Johnny to see how busted they both are. Cook makes the 5th exit of Gas Station manageable when nobody else really can... which should be alarming to his power level.

Bugged HH and bugged Sissy ruin it with Gas Station's 5th exit and chain door stuns joining in. All of these need fixed and adjusted.

Bubba 1/2 shots and the special exits come behind this. Both can end the game way too quickly.

Not sure why Leland's shoulder check was put at the top of the list.

I kinda like the dynamic with Cook and Connie though. Great reward for great sacrifice.

One use of Connie's power can help put dent (at the back door) in a well fortified Family House. Making someone have to patrol outside as well. Connie is squishy...she is usually the first to go in my games.

Cook can negate Connie's power in 3 different spots. He can use his power can help the team secure kills at the expense of getting kills himself. That's an okay trade-off IMHO.

Both of these characters add an X factor to the games that no other characters do (HH maybe also). I wish they found a way to make the others powers as interesting. Like make Lelands power only come off cooldown and do something special when a nearby a nearby victim is hit. Or make Bubba chainsaw not overheat when grandpa is down from being stabbed.

But that's why I wish people would stop asking for nerfs (on both sides). It waters down the game; takes away characters uniqueness and removes those X factors that make games interesting; AND you eventually have to swing the nerf pendulum the other way to compensate.

We saw this in 7 years of DBD. And I'm afraid the whiners will push the devs to make the same mistake here.

I do find the Connie and Cook dynamic interesting, but also respect why people have problems with Connie. But at the same time, it feels good to catch her early game and take her out, she's the glass cannon of the team. Just annoys me they are already targeting Leland (not the strongest victim as is) for nerfs to make him more passive and leaving the by far strongest family member alone.

Origineel geplaatst door nod for kiss:

Origineel geplaatst door Gash Basher:

Clearly you haven't played killer and Leland wins 2 struggles against you and then shoulder checks you trying to kill him makes it impossible when he can abuse 3 stuns against you constantly he needs nerfing. And for reference I only play leland and don't abuse him but still think he needs a nerf or to nerf 1v1 struggles

wow finally someone speaking the truth. the fact that he can barge you and sneak attack you 2 times is insane. and it has NO counterplay. idk why people think lelands die easily, they might be going against bot victims but us high levels know this aint true.

Or maybe these godly, untouchable Lelands have scored a match against some bot family members? You sure seem to love trying to flaunt you skills while constantly complaining the other side is overpowered and you can't do anything against them.

[xBlade-TTV]

Wow yeah nerf leland, but its ok for cook to constantly spam and tell where the other family members are, second victims nerf and no family nerf, whew this is quickly becoming dbd 2.0 this is gonna be another evil dead , this game wont last long.

[FluffyFrigginFox.TTV]

Origineel geplaatst door wizkid_36master:

Wow yeah nerf leland, but its ok for cook to constantly spam and tell where the other family members are, second victims nerf and no family nerf, whew this is quickly becoming dbd 2.0 this is gonna be another evil dead , this game wont last long.

I fear that you are right which is a shame because I really love this game I hate the route they are taking it.

[nod for kiss]

Origineel geplaatst door wizkid_36master:

Wow yeah nerf leland, but its ok for cook to constantly spam and tell where the other family members are, second victims nerf and no family nerf, whew this is quickly becoming dbd 2.0 this is gonna be another evil dead , this game wont last long.

both dbd and evil dead survivor sided tho?

[nod for kiss]

the nerf was 18 seconds into cooldown. I wouldnt even call this a nerf.

[xBlade-TTV]

Origineel geplaatst door nod for kiss:

the nerf was 18 seconds into cooldown. I wouldnt even call this a nerf.

Dbd survivor side how? lets me give you a summary

great wiggle skill checks=is worthless
pallets=do not drop properly
iron will/selfcare/deadhard/boons/proof thyself and many more useful survivor perks nerfed since 6.1 to current day
survivor hit boost=drastically had been reduced from hit by killer
hooks=every map got like 15+hooks added like dead dong with hooks back to back on street
heal nerf=med kits/boons are all garbage now
flashlights= cant locker tech safe and their clicks and all that was gutted
indirect buff to wraith=removing lightburn the most stupid thing ever and that with heal nerfs is making him a just too strong now, I can accept it being removed from artist because you still can jump in a locker to be rid off crow and nurse well honestly I only ever got 2 lightburns on her and she is punished if she misses all blinks. Where as wraith with this lame ability to just block off pallets/windows with his road runner speed and that purple add on of his needs a huge nerf that lets him break things 60% fast.
So how in the world is dbd survivor sided?

Evil dead =survivors nerfed lol cheryl/ash support /david/amanda/kelly,henry. All 3 start demons was buffed and plague bringer for idk what reason was also buffed. Only baal did got a slight slap on the risk in nerf and that was only chain possession but he is still busted like plague bringer. Yesterday its announced there is no more updates coming to that game and I uninstall it since the game play overall just got to a point where it just felt too repetitive or was just lacking something.

Back on TCM topic victims so far has been nerfed and no family member nerf has happen as yet, example how about we limit blood bucket use just like how bone scraps are now limited? How about adding a cool down to cook hearing ability and not have him spam it over and over. How about grandpa not showing a victim aura near him when we want to poke him. How about once I win a close encounter with a family member I get I frames or not get instantly kill just as the message pop(close encounter won even if it means at least taking damage its better than being instant kill.

[Antag0nisticWomble]

Origineel geplaatst door BarxBaron:

Leland does need a nerf......................

To not be able to use his shoulder check for the first 15 sec of the game.

His cooldown is FINE...its the fact that he can shoulder check Leatherface before his damn cutscene ends and he has full control. You also nearly always have a bonepile spawn RiGHT BY YOU so you also get secondary stunned before you can ever rev your chainsaw even when using the lvl3 rev-once perk.

That is the stupid thing.
I don't mind being double stunned.............I mind being double stunned before I have any chance to control/react because of a cutscene.

Most times I'm multi stunned in the "wild" is because victims are working in tandem, or because I got a couple swings in already which makes it a fair trade. Getting multi stunned before you gain ANY control is the most mind numbing design I have seen in a while lol

But bubba can run into you within 15s of the cutscene and 1 shot you. So how is it any different lmfao

[xBlade-TTV]

Origineel geplaatst door Spicy fox noodles:

Origineel geplaatst door wizkid_36master:

Wow yeah nerf leland, but its ok for cook to constantly spam and tell where the other family members are, second victims nerf and no family nerf, whew this is quickly becoming dbd 2.0 this is gonna be another evil dead , this game wont last long.

I fear that you are right which is a shame because I really love this game I hate the route they are taking it.

I Agree I do not want it to go down that evil dead route, it has potential and I really want this game a success and ofc(a big dream) that it surpasses even dbd, I know its still fresh but sheesh. Also taking off cross play may have been a good idea but lately I feel it only had made things abit worth like trying to get a game going and well honestly not that its common even consoles can be using cheats/exploits like pc.

[nod for kiss]

Origineel geplaatst door wizkid_36master:

Origineel geplaatst door nod for kiss:

the nerf was 18 seconds into cooldown. I wouldnt even call this a nerf.

Dbd survivor side how? lets me give you a summary

great wiggle skill checks=is worthless
pallets=do not drop properly
iron will/selfcare/deadhard/boons/proof thyself and many more useful survivor perks nerfed since 6.1 to current day
survivor hit boost=drastically had been reduced from hit by killer
hooks=every map got like 15+hooks added like dead dong with hooks back to back on street
heal nerf=med kits/boons are all garbage now
flashlights= cant locker tech safe and their clicks and all that was gutted
indirect buff to wraith=removing lightburn the most stupid thing ever and that with heal nerfs is making him a just too strong now, I can accept it being removed from artist because you still can jump in a locker to be rid off crow and nurse well honestly I only ever got 2 lightburns on her and she is punished if she misses all blinks. Where as wraith with this lame ability to just block off pallets/windows with his road runner speed and that purple add on of his needs a huge nerf that lets him break things 60% fast.
So how in the world is dbd survivor sided?

Evil dead =survivors nerfed lol cheryl/ash support /david/amanda/kelly,henry. All 3 start demons was buffed and plague bringer for idk what reason was also buffed. Only baal did got a slight slap on the risk in nerf and that was only chain possession but he is still busted like plague bringer. Yesterday its announced there is no more updates coming to that game and I uninstall it since the game play overall just got to a point where it just felt too repetitive or was just lacking something.

Back on TCM topic victims so far has been nerfed and no family member nerf has happen as yet, example how about we limit blood bucket use just like how bone scraps are now limited? How about adding a cool down to cook hearing ability and not have him spam it over and over. How about grandpa not showing a victim aura near him when we want to poke him. How about once I win a close encounter with a family member I get I frames or not get instantly kill just as the message pop(close encounter won even if it means at least taking damage its better than being instant kill.

dude in dbd every map has like 20 pallets along with all windows, no killer can win against any gen efficient team while one surv wastes killers time. evil dead is incredibly survivor sided, there is nobody left playing demon except few sweaty person. tcm is also survivor sided. you clearly played all games either wrong or you are entitled.

[nod for kiss]

did you just complain about wraith? he is B tier m1 killer with decent map mobility lmao, every killer except nurse struggles against good survs.

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Origineel geplaatst door nod for kiss:

did you just complain about wraith? he is B tier m1 killer with decent map mobility lmao, every killer except nurse struggles against good survs.

Nah your just one of those who play killer and no matter what dbd/tcm/evil dead give yall its not enough yall just expect people are to just walk up to you the killer/demon/family members and allow you to auto kill them, and that pallet excuse is pathetic , those 20 + pallets excuse one love to mention, at least 15 of them=is trash pallets that the killer can easily clap the survivors on, and alot of the maps have been shrunk and loops change recently to favor killer more. Ofc wraith is ment to be complaint about he wasnt bad when he had a lightburn mech and was abit more balance but lightburn removal + heal changes=makes him one of the few thats its annoying to vs so dont be ignorant.

[New Player]

Origineel geplaatst door Admiraldrock:

Origineel geplaatst door VexTheHex:

Cook makes the 5th exit of Gas Station manageable when nobody else really can... which should be alarming to his power level.
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Cook is meh to me, i do not see why people dont use hitchhiker more for that door.
You can lock the entry door from the inside as him with the latch, then trap the gap. So that they have to break the door first (giving you a sound alert) or they will step in the trap squeezing through the gap. Both sound alerts, compared to a lock with no. But add the lock, and you got extra lockdown.
Now if only he could lock the fuse box or water pressure after a handle was added (stop it form spinning)

The meta is to have them both in a match at lvl 3. not to use one over the other.

[FluffyFrigginFox.TTV]

Origineel geplaatst door wizkid_36master:

Origineel geplaatst door nod for kiss:

did you just complain about wraith? he is B tier m1 killer with decent map mobility lmao, every killer except nurse struggles against good survs.

Nah your just one of those who play killer and no matter what dbd/tcm/evil dead give yall its not enough yall just expect people are to just walk up to you the killer/demon/family members and allow you to auto kill them, and that pallet excuse is pathetic , those 20 + pallets excuse one love to mention, at least 15 of them=is trash pallets that the killer can easily clap the survivors on, and alot of the maps have been shrunk and loops change recently to favor killer more. Ofc wraith is ment to be complaint about he wasnt bad when he had a lightburn mech and was abit more balance but lightburn removal + heal changes=makes him one of the few thats its annoying to vs so dont be ignorant.

It's a losing battle arguing with that person its a waste of energy they are a known troll on the dbd forums. But your points are absolutely solid I agree.

[xBlade-TTV]

Origineel geplaatst door Spicy fox noodles:

Origineel geplaatst door wizkid_36master:

Nah your just one of those who play killer and no matter what dbd/tcm/evil dead give yall its not enough yall just expect people are to just walk up to you the killer/demon/family members and allow you to auto kill them, and that pallet excuse is pathetic , those 20 + pallets excuse one love to mention, at least 15 of them=is trash pallets that the killer can easily clap the survivors on, and alot of the maps have been shrunk and loops change recently to favor killer more. Ofc wraith is ment to be complaint about he wasnt bad when he had a lightburn mech and was abit more balance but lightburn removal + heal changes=makes him one of the few thats its annoying to vs so dont be ignorant.

It's a losing battle arguing with that person its a waste of energy they are a known troll on the dbd forums. But your points are absolutely solid I agree.

Thanks friend, yes I blocked them, am actually new on steam forums(usually dont use it) so just notice it has a block feature which is what I wish most other forums have, lets game sometime if you wish , I do play on ps5 though not steam itself.

[New Player]

That character's ability to stun you before the Cutscene even ends is broken.