Is Virginia and Danny pay to win?

[Super_J]

I wanted to get others take on this. It feels like these two have a distinct advantage over other victims. First only they get the perk Fast Hands. Second, their abilities are extremely powerful compared to everyone else except Connie. Virginia especially with her unique perks is incredibly powerful. I main Family so I could be bias a little.

[Shotgun Merwin]

Yes.

[MartyMcFly4Life]

Danny dies from one swipe from a lvl 00 Sissy, he has high proficiency and that's it. If you breathe on him, he's dead. Virginia has her powder but is also easy to kill, I don't have her, but I see her get mud stomped constantly.

[nod for kiss]

Originally posted by MartyMcFly4Life:

Danny dies from one swipe from a lvl 00 Sissy, he has high proficiency and that's it. If you breathe on him, he's dead. Virginia has her powder but is also easy to kill, I don't have her, but I see her get mud stomped constantly.

umm what are you talking about? you can put majority of your points into toughness and you can be tanky as others

[nod for kiss]

yeah they are heavily p2w, their abilities and perks are simply too good and its not a coincidence that only virginia and danny having fast hands.

[MartyMcFly4Life]

Originally posted by nod for kiss:

Originally posted by MartyMcFly4Life:

Danny dies from one swipe from a lvl 00 Sissy, he has high proficiency and that's it. If you breathe on him, he's dead. Virginia has her powder but is also easy to kill, I don't have her, but I see her get mud stomped constantly.

umm what are you talking about? you can put majority of your points into toughness and you can be tanky as others

sure, and be crappy at proficiency and make it harder for yourself to escape. You don't get to max out every stat. Either he's tanky with meh lockpicking speed like Ana or he's highly proficient and soft as baby turds, or you could spread his points equally and make him mediocre in all categories. and his special ability is useless until level 3.

[Shotgun Merwin]

Originally posted by MartyMcFly4Life:

Danny dies from one swipe from a lvl 00 Sissy, he has high proficiency and that's it. If you breathe on him, he's dead. Virginia has her powder but is also easy to kill, I don't have her, but I see her get mud stomped constantly.

In my experience both danny and viguniu are always built like tanks. Vicirditu is especially annoying because she's also lightening fast and even without her ink screen she can bolt away from any family member in an instant.

[MartyMcFly4Life]

Nah man, Danny is so weak he should be named Sissy instead. Seriously just pick Johnny and you can damn near one shot him. I kill him all the time with cook.

Virigina is not too tough either, she can blind you, then backstab but a couple hits from Johnny, Cook or LF and she's done for. I always hear her crying about her son then getting attacked, gurgal gurgal, ally has been killed.

[Mr Hands]

People saying they aren't OP because you can kill them is like saying Connie was never a problem because she isn't very tanky. Both Danny and Virginia are very strong and not fun to go against at all. Danny can keep exits open for a stupid amount of time and Virginia can just blind and turn off family powers while they are chasing her. She can also empty the family blood vial.

[Shotgun Merwin]

Originally posted by Saw Is The Law:

She can also empty the family blood vial.

I had a HH start yelling at me over the mic last night because I wasn't feeding grandpa when i was playing as cook. It did once, but he got stabbed instantly, then virginu's cloud kept wiping out my blood vial. Btw, doesn't that alone pretty much wipe out any of the blood builds that have perks that rely on having a full vial? Gee, and it's not like family had many viable builds in the first place. One character can just totally invalidate like 50% of builds people use now, not OP pay to win at all.

So not only does it wipe out your blood vial, but it also blinds you. Then doesn't it also heal victims, and probably grands stamina, and probably grants lockpicking bonuses or something too? I mean, why not at this point? If it did just one of those things it'd be bad enough.

Oh, and of course, sissy's poison cloud is garbage and won't even blind victims because they complained too much about the effects.

Even without the cloud, Virjinca is a pretty darn strong character. Fast as a cruise missile, can take an amazing amount of damage, can pick locks just about as good as connie. The cloud just kind of raises this thing to the level of it almost being a joke.

[qDan]

Sadly, this is true - while Danny not being a huge problem by itself and heavily depends on a good, or at least decent team, Virginia 100% broken in all terms.

She can tank a lot, she can perform majority of actions almost on par with any other characters (minus their unique abilities boost), she can beat and poison whole Family using curved terrain or "bottle necks".

I could understand, if devs would like to "mirror" Sissy`s char for Victims, since nobody else can use poison/cloud, thus making herb tables obsolete in the game, but in fact they made almost immortal Terminator, which can die fast only by good luck.

Thats why, either good LF or Johhny and at least HH or Sissy are obligatory now for almost all games (unless some godlike Cook with perfect knowledge of maps and timings will join the team).

[$$Billionaire Trash$$]

Danny usually dies early, but if he doesn't he becomes a threat.

[TheMysteryMan (Who/What)]

i feel like virginia isn't that bad but i would change how much powers there are (less of them) , make it so she cant cancel stuns, and make so she cant take blood away from family when feeding grandpa

[Celestial]

Don't listen to these fools. The best character by far is Connie and she is free. The two DLC characters are good but not Connie good, they are more like Ana good.

[NallyNally!]

Heaaavily Pay To Win. Danny is a boss character. Family can't ♥♥♥♥ up even once if he's in play. Virginia is a super tank who is also extremely annoying. Neither of their skills has cooldown, which is already a step up from everyone else. Danny+Leland can enact inescapable checkmates for Family. Danny is basically an upgrade to Connie.

In spite of what Victim mains will tell you, Danny builds tanky AND abuses fast hands to essentially double his proficiency well into the 60's. He's not a sidegrade to Ana. He's Annie or Cona. Somewhat nerfed "Best of both worlds" character. If you patrol main objectives he can checkmate your ass in a side objective if he has a tank nearby.

Virginia can stand her ass up from an overhead TWICE with no cooldown. The level of power Victims work with is just outrageous, quite honestly. Sure, if you gather info from SoloQ you'd think Danny is hot garbage because most Danny players would need 150 toughness to be able to survive a garden variety Hiker, but the ♥♥♥♥ they're capable of when they know the very basics of the game is insane.

[Nito [Ger]]

Originally posted by TheGabaghoul:

He's not a sidegrade to Ana. He's Annie or Cona. Somewhat nerfed "Best of both worlds" character.

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