BUFF SONNY

[Lobby Enjoyer]

When i mean buff Sonny i don't mean change his ability. I'm one of the few who actually likes it. I mean change up his overall attributes they are one of the things that make this character terrible.

His current attributes make no sense for the character at all. To me Sonny is the sneaky character able to locate Family members and sneak around them, he wont last long if cornered with his low health but has enough base endurance to outrun the family. Exchange his Strength stat towards Stealth. Why does the skinniest character in the game have the second highest strength base?

Current base stats
Toughness : 15
Endurance : 35
Strength : 35 Like why???
Proficiency : 25
Stealth : 15 Again why??

Base stat changes
Toughness : 15
Endurance : 35 ( Could be 30 )
Strength : 15 or even 10
Proficiency : 25 or 30
Stealth : 35

Thoughts?

[Infrasound]

he needs a stat line update, maybe make him the one person with balanced on all things, we dont need a third sorta tank and god hes loud when he opens anything or unhooks at start

[Crunchipop / TTV]

yup, Sonny need some buff there may be give him some more toughness , not proficiency, i think he will need toughness and endurance adjust.

[BarxBaron]

Originally posted by Infrasound:

he needs a stat line update, maybe make him the one person with balanced on all things, we dont need a third sorta tank and god hes loud when he opens anything or unhooks at start

TBH one of my fav stat builds with him puts his End/Str/Prof all at 35

I am kind of surprised he isn't more of an all-rounder considering his ability can be used to:
1. Greatly extend your stealthiness
2. Allows you to isolate fam members for struggles/backstabs without worry of giving other members instant kills
3. Lets you know which direction to use your hefty endurance to out path fam members camping certain sightlines/directions
4. Also gives ez access to grandpa location before you even get out of basement, as well as knowledge of whether other family is nearby or not............making it always stab-o-clock

Those affects imo make him out to be a jack of all trades.

I personally would like to see his stats become:

Toughness: 15
Endurance: 35
Strength: 25
Proficiency: 25
Stealth: 25

Would greatly facilitate rounded stat builds or allow a person to pump into a stat depending on a build.

Just my take.

[Lobby Enjoyer]

Originally posted by Allsek:

You can easily buff it yourself by using skill points, and using ability's you unlocked with skill points, for proficiency or stealth.

Your version of a "balanced" sonny is absolutely unbalanced, you're literally picking all the best base stats and leaving out the more useless ones, everybody is speed running this game at this point, and you making victims more buff is just laughable.

It's balanced enough, just leave it the way it is, they don't need to buff it because you're using him the wrong way. You can easily go for fuse or pressure rather than unlocking everything within seconds with a base proficiency 25 or 30 leveled up to 50 by using skill points.


I honestly hope devs never give into these crybabies.

One nobody was crying and two i respect your opinion but no need to insult others for sharing their opinions. I'm not new to the game and i know you can buff them yourself, I was just saying the characters stats make 0 sense. Carry on.

[Crunchipop / TTV]

Originally posted by Allsek:

Originally posted by ..C..:

yup, Sonny need some buff there may be give him some more toughness , not proficiency, i think he will need toughness and endurance adjust.

You're the same guy making threads saying "stop crying about the game" as you're crying about the game.

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i dont see one hurry needed, but and i play Sonny but he need adjust in his stats, he actually is hard only with SWF team but in SoloQ need buff for go good for both roles.

[Litwick]

People don't realize Sonny is OP yet and probably won't until youtubers discover the wallhack build. Enjoy him while you can.

[JohnyX]

I agree with this, these stats can be fine. He should have option to go stealth or high endurance.

Toughness: 15
Endurance: 30
Strength: 25
Proficiency: 25
Stealth: 30

High strength is stupid, because he is one hit snack for LF.

[BarxBaron]

Originally posted by rat:

People don't realize Sonny is OP yet and probably won't until youtubers discover the wallhack build. Enjoy him while you can.

Bro if you are talking about the wallhack when grandpa screams perk - its been broken forever.

[MeisterMody]

I never Played Victim but i agree so many Sonnys dying in the Intro sequence shows that he is the Weakest. Just like Johnny so... a few tweaks are needed

[60Hz]

Correct me if I'm wrong but only Ana has 130 attribute points, while other victims have 125 attribute points. I dunno the reason for this tho, maybe if they could give 5 more points to Sonny and make them distributed like this:

Toughness: 25
Endurance: 40
Strength: 20
Proficiency: 25
Stealth: 20

To be fair I would play the ♥♥♥♥ out of Sonny if that was the case, maybe I did even overtune him a bit but my personal feel is that he doesn't need actually strength and stealth, instead just make him mobile and tanky. That way his role will be scouting and attracting attention (since he knows where family members are it's easier to get their attention) and use his toughness and endurance to force a less lethal chase than it currently is. But he can't be aggressive since his low strength, unlike Ana or Leland.

[Gorre]

Your recommendation is extremely OP. There are recommendations made by others who're also too unbalanced, he'd become ultra stealth rushing machine with 47's instinct ability.

[Sonny Base Stats]
Toughness 15 -> 25
Endurance 35 -> 30
Strength 35 - > 25
Proficiency 25 -> 35
Stealth 15 -> 10

He needs low stealth to offset his ability to sneak around without being seen so he doesn't get anywhere insanely fast w/o any deficiency.

[Full Build]
Toughness 25 -> 32
Endurance 30 -> 43+7 (Ran Track Lv 3)
Strength 25 -> 25
Proficiency 35 -> 43+7 (Highly Skilled Lv 3)
Stealth 10 -> 13+7 (Sneaky Pete Lv 3)

Ran Track could be swapped with Choose Flight or Toughness depending if want to run a lot or jump down into basement more often. This build is largely based on decent survival & running around opening up stuff for yourself or teammates without having insanely high stealth to mash everything.

[clxde]

I would like to see him have 25 on everything so that you can tweak any stat as you like. He would be the balanced dude just like kenny in f13

[Tegiminis]

Agree that Sonny's ability is practically worthless. Giving me a HUD indicator for positional audio I can already hear, which requires an upgrade to determine friend from foe, and which does not reveal auras is at best a nice accessibility feature.

If they don't make his ability more useful, then yes I think he should get a significant neutral stat bump. At least make him kinda good at basic stuff to make up for having the worst Victim ability.

[Hunterelfss]

So there are some interesting ideas.

I would have his stats as:
Toughness: 25
Endurance: 35
Strength: 15
Proficiency: 25
Stealth: 25

He would be more the jack-of-all trades, rather than a specialism. Each will have their specialism, except Sonny is more well-rounded.

Furthermore, I would modify Sonny's ability to be the counter of Cook.
Sonny's T3 ability should allow him to see one family member at a time when he locks on to them moving, just like Cook can against victims.

Alternatively, a second T3 ability that Sonny could choose instead would be to temporarily disable a killer's power for 5 seconds when used on them, with a cooldown of 30 seconds. So when used against Cook, he cannot use his power for at least 5 seconds, even if fully charged.

Finally, a third T3 ability would replace his original ability. He can now target allies with his power to see their position. When they are highlighted, they are immune to all tracking and highlighting from Family for 6 seconds.

So, Sonny being able to see family and highlight them for him will be a big buff for him, given he is one of the most underplayed characters in the game. I don't necessarily think they should be highlighted for his team, just for himself.

[Pat Fenis]

Sonny enjoyer, he's fine. Right now he is pretty versatile, I rather like having the 35 base strength and endurance. He will always have good stamina, stun time, 2 hit barge, fast gen kicks. You can go all in on toughness or proficiency, there is no room for stealth in the current meta. He gets great perks for both roles.