PC players don't deserve crossplay

[Litwick]

There I said it. This isn't bait. This is the truth. You can check my Steam account. I've been playing PC games since I was a kid. If there's anything I've learned in my 18 years of gaming, it's that the PC community doesn't deserve the console userbase. I made the switch to Playstation in my early teens, and almost instantaneously I noticed the difference. There were no more cheaters, less neckbeards, and zero technical issues. I didn't have to hear entitled people moan about framerate, didn't have to read up guides on how to get games running, and most importantly I didn't have to hear that ultra cringe PC master race nonsense.

Why should the single mom who comes home from work, sits on her couch and turns on her console have to deal with some mouth breathing degen who modded his PC install. She shouldn't. Let us wallow in our own filth after the decades we've spent shaming console players.

The truth is, it takes a certain type of person to sit down and intertwine their ego with a gaming platform. And more often than not, that's what PC gamers do. There's this underlying superiority complex that grows within them, and they look down on others because of it. Low self esteem individuals usually gravitate towards this platform as a result.

That's why you never meet toxic Switch players in crossplay games. People who buy Switches tend to touch grass and have lives outside their homes, resulting in more positive attitudes towards others. The same goes for Xbox and Playstation owners. I'm honestly happy Gun has recognized this and taken a firm stance. And I'm just hoping other studios follow suit.

[draganoev]

Ban this clown

[Litwick]

Originally posted by Smkrrr:

You are the only PC player that doesn't deserve anything. This got to be the most stupid thing I have yet seen on this games Steam discussions.

I've been here longer than most of you. I used to hold the same opinions as you guys. Then I grew up. PC gaming was never meant to crossover with console gaming. There's a reason developers pulled the plug[www.pcworld.com] on the idea back in the day. The skill gap between both platforms was too wide and it made the games less fun for console gamers. It's something that has always been a contentious issue among developers, but most could see the issues outweighed the benefits.

I know you lot were still in diapers in 2010, but people used to buy CoD games on console just to avoid sweats on PC. There's people who bought consoles just to play GTA Online without having to deal with the hackfests on PC. Console has always been a bastion for fair online play. You never had to worry about cheating or tryhards. It wasn't until Fortnite popularized crossplay did every studio jump on that bandwagon.

[Harmonica]

Originally posted by rat:

I know you lot were still in diapers in 2010, but people used to buy CoD games on console just to avoid sweats on PC. There's people who bought consoles just to play GTA Online without having to deal with the hackfests on PC. Console has always been a bastion for fair online play. You never had to worry about cheating or tryhards. It wasn't until Fortnite popularized crossplay did every studio jump on that bandwagon.

Well, some time before that Halo 2 was one of the sweatiest games there has ever been, and as a result it ushered in hyper competitive console gaming and basically esports as we know it today. It was famously completely rampant with cheating and verbal abuse and it took years for Bungie to just barely get a grip on it. This stuff continued for years with basically every mainstream competitive release, CoD, RB6, Battlefield and all the rest, just with marginally increasing protection against the hackers. And despite or because of that people were scrapping every game like their lives depended on it.

To be honest I returned to PC around the time you mention and with the exception of CS (where everyone always plays like someone has a gun to their head) no FPS has ever compared to the level that people were playing at on console in that era. The skill gap was only a result of having no high speed internet connectivity, no voice chat, etc. When that went away and millions of nerds on voice chat were just fragging each other through a haze of Mtn Dew and Cheeto Dust (or insert culturally appropriate junk food here, over here probably Irn Bru and Wotsits) the average skill on console went through the roof.

Some of the best players in the world today will use a gamepad given the choice, especially when competing against m&k. Part of that is because games are incredibly intuitive to play on gamepad (most of them are developed using them) but the other part is because console kids are just that damn good (to borrow another phrase of that distant era).

So yeah I dunno, I don't recognise this chilled out wonderland you're describing at all*. I also lived it and it was hell. And I loved it.

*okay with the exception of Switch where everyone is mostly really nice (when they're not holding a red shell).

[New Player]

I agree with this change. Unless the Game has some Deep Kernel intrussive AC then PC players shoulndt be allowed out of their zoo.

Changed: PC Removed from Cross Play

- We are temporarily separating PC from the console player base in cross play while we continue to improve our anti-cheat tools and resources.

[New Player]

Originally posted by Baby Ghoul:

Most cheaters don't risk their main account using cheats. Typically children do that.

Anytime a game is free or included on a ridiculously cheap service like on Game Pass there will be a massive influx of cheaters.

Publishers should know this by now because it's well documented even within this genre. DbD is still recovering from the amount of people who made dozens of accounts to cheat when it was free on Epic.

This is a predictable outcome that the developers and Gun should have prepared for, but it seems like it caught them off guard to the point where they're fracturing the playerbase and sticking steam players with all the cheaters on Game Pass.

I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but it sounds like you're trying to shift most of the blame onto the developers. lets not ignore the fact that PC gamers are cheaters and that's a fact proven by the statistics.

[luie]

Dumbass take 😂

[Jay.Cee]

I mean this has to be satire right? Someone on a 660 with an i3 or something because nobody who genuinely plays pc would feel this way. This reads like something I would have seen back in 2018. Btw you dont meet toxic switch players because nobody ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ plays multiplayer games on a switch you moron. God there's nothing worse than you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ loser virtue signalers, Nobody is gonna think more of you because you're thinking of "single mothers" (ofc you would use single you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ incel not every mother is a struggling single parent). Only a mf with 600 hours on ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ gta 4 would have this awful take. All your mp games aside from tf2 have 50 or less hours so where do you even get off thinking you know whats best?

[Merlin]

Cool because I enjoy playing on PC I don't cheat but now I can't play with my friends on Xbox great thnx

[Jake]

You are correct PC users should have never been mixed with console players, even without cheats there are things we can do that give a competitive edge over console users.

[Ensetsu]

Originally posted by Merlin:

Cool because I enjoy playing on PC I don't cheat but now I can't play with my friends on Xbox great thnx

I am in same boat as you!

Originally posted by Ho Lee Sheet:

You are correct PC users should have never been mixed with console players, even without cheats there are things we can do that give a competitive edge over console users.

Sorry if im not smart, but like what?


In the end i think its other way around, they save us PC users from the toxic console players.
From my experience i had less issues with PC players, and all been quite chill.
But we all have differnt experience.

[GhostfaceN7]

Some of the biggest BS i've seen in a long Time

[PERKLESS WARRIOR]

xbox players in question

[PERKLESS WARRIOR]

Originally posted by rat:

Originally posted by Smkrrr:

You are the only PC player that doesn't deserve anything. This got to be the most stupid thing I have yet seen on this games Steam discussions.

I've been here longer than most of you. I used to hold the same opinions as you guys. Then I grew up. PC gaming was never meant to crossover with console gaming. There's a reason developers pulled the plug[www.pcworld.com] on the idea back in the day. The skill gap between both platforms was too wide and it made the games less fun for console gamers. It's something that has always been a contentious issue among developers, but most could see the issues outweighed the benefits.

I know you lot were still in diapers in 2010, but people used to buy CoD games on console just to avoid sweats on PC. There's people who bought consoles just to play GTA Online without having to deal with the hackfests on PC. Console has always been a bastion for fair online play. You never had to worry about cheating or tryhards. It wasn't until Fortnite popularized crossplay did every studio jump on that bandwagon.

just cause you soaked more time into games doesnt mean anything bro

[Irina Destroyer♡]

pc players don't need crossplay , gta for example does not have crossplay, dead by daylight did not have until a few years ago etc etc , are different communities

[Whiskii]

So far all the worst I have seen on this game came from xbox users, and that's an observation. They're little wannabe edgelords. Also the worst cheater I've seen so far was an xbox user. They escaped the basement 3 seconds after the game started, somehow managed to make it so that every player was highlighted in the match with exclamation marks above our heads, and sped the game up in a haste like effect. Dunno how they did it but they had an xbox icon by their name.

What a way to generalise a whole community bro. You do realise that PC gamers make up 60% of all gamers, right? Literally over half the gaming community and you've judged them all just based on the fact they hold a mouse and have more options open to them, cheating options that less than 1% of them use.