the most toxic forum I've seen

[Muggz Munny]

Wow, this one even wins over Hunt Showdown or any CoD forum. And KF3 is not even out yet. Congrats on whatever you're were trying to achieve here.

[Weird Grim]

Is this bait?
Like most complaints are that it's losing it's artstyle of survival horror game into a hero shooter monster killing game, that weapons are locked to each class, so rip medic with boomstick and support with nade launcher and that none know how ulti's work (like do they give a minor buff or do they do a screen wipe of zeds).

genuine complaints =/= toxic

[Muggz Munny]

Originally posted by Weird Grim:

Is this bait?
Like most complaints are that it's losing it's artstyle of survival horror game into a hero shooter monster killing game, that weapons are locked to each class, so rip medic with boomstick and support with nade launcher and that none know how ulti's work (like do they give a minor buff or do they do a screen wipe of zeds).

genuine complaints =/= toxic

lmao this exactly. Game is not out yet, but here we are talking about how different it is from the previous installment. First of all, isn't that the main point of making something new? You already have your KF\KF2 ready for launch anytime. Secondly, let's first see the game and then tell if we like it or not, maybe that "hero shooter" thing (which is usually appliable to pvp) would fit nicely or would be possible to work around.

[Jmod]

I agree that it's pretty toxic but a lot of the complaints come from legit fans who are extremely concerned with how KF3 will end up being...even though they know almost nothing about it so some of it is just paranoia. But with how KF2 ended up being with the HRG guns, bloated size, goofy cartoons aesthetic and the microtransactions i think people are warranted to a degree, just be respectful about it...gamers struggle with that though.

The stuff about the hero system is a legit complaint that I hope they see and possibly change. Considering how long it will be for KF4 people want to express their concerns, but yeah lots of complaining which is why I don't look here often.

[-Dare Devil/x/]

-It's tough for game companies. Either they do the same cookie cutter copy paste and get flamed or they try to innovate and get shamed.

-Its pretty easy to have good sounding idea (which everyone seems to have a good idea on game forums), but it's a whole different level to have an idea implemented to see how it plays out.

-Personally I'm willing to give a fun looking game a shot, the concept of classes being tied to characters isn't a new concept and is successful/normal in other games, so I don't see a big deal about it. Most people don't like change though, so I guess that's where the negativity comes from.

-At the end of the day we can only all wait and pray for more information being shared.

[sR~]

Yea its pretty toxic, most negative comments comes from players who got less than 500 hours in and got no clue on how the game works, personally ill wait till the games drops and then form my own opinion instead of dowloading it from another youtuber.

[Molly]

As they say, if you see something say something. Report insults and other rule breaks for moderators and staff to review.

Right now there is a lot of speculation happening around here while everyone waits for more information. There will be more reveals to come and as they do and people learn more about the game some of the debates and discussion around that certain speculation will die off.

Take the fortunetelling with an asterisks of "this has not been confirmed by developers unless you have seen it confirmed."

[鬼椒]

It's crazy to me that people think you need 500 hours in game to give feedback otherwise you can gatekeep people.

Giving feedback even if negative is not toxic - hostility towards people is toxic.

The concerns about the hero shooter change are valid. We can't say whether it's a good or bad decision until the game is out and we get our hands on it though. Personally I'm open to the idea but I don't like that I can't grab what ever weapon I can now but again we'll see how Tripwire handles it. I'm more so glad they are experimenting with their game rather than doing the same exact thing each game. It gives a reason to go back to each game.

Originally posted by -Dare Devil/x/:

-It's tough for game companies. Either they do the same cookie cutter copy paste and get flamed or they try to innovate and get shamed.

-Its pretty easy to have good sounding idea (which everyone seems to have a good idea on game forums), but it's a whole different level to have an idea implemented to see how it plays out.

-Personally I'm willing to give a fun looking game a shot, the concept of classes being tied to characters isn't a new concept and is successful/normal in other games, so I don't see a big deal about it. Most people don't like change though, so I guess that's where the negativity comes from.

-At the end of the day we can only all wait and pray for more information being shared.

I agree with this - Especially the damned if I do damned if I don't part. I remember in Killing Floor 2 a lot of players were freaking out because they added a dedicated sprint button and crosshair.

[Bathtub Shitter]

People are assuming the worst and it's somewhat warranted with the developers history of bad business practice and the almost intentional sabotaged post release development of kf2.

The big controversy at the announcement of kf3 was the fact it's set to date well past a time where real world weapons exist (which many of us liked. thanks for ignoring us again) and now it's confirmed. that ship sailed. We got scifi doom weapons and enemies. Yay.

Now its the whole hero shooter thing. Which i don't hate as a concept but It's clearly one of those things implemented to appease the 50 year old investors who haven't played a game since the 80's, because it's a fad they think "every game must have at this current moment or it will fail" with the opposite being more true. Even if there are positive ex like Vermintide.

The biggest issue i find with the hero shooter concept however is the fact it's a plausible excuse to sell perks. Which only puts more gameplay behind a paywall. Guns weren't enough apparently.

Furthermore, it Doesn't help that they made the ultimate meter at the bottom clear as day identical to the OW hud. If they don't even have the originality to make that at least look original, that gives me almost 0 hope anything in kf3 will.

The game not being out yet means nothing. Doesn't make feedback toxic.

[IceBeam]

Originally posted by Molly:

As they say, if you see something say something. Report insults and other rule breaks for moderators and staff to review.

Personally, I am concerned about the fact that Tripwire's Forum Rules and Guidelines posted in the community hubs of their games, including the Killing Floor series, contradict the site-wide Community Rules and Guidelines for Steam.

Compare the following two excerpts from the pages listed above.

By Tripwire:

Originally posted by KF 3 rules and guidelines:

Any decisions made by any member of staff or moderator are final and not subject to discussion. Doing so may result in a ban from the site.

By Valve:

Originally posted by Rules and Guidelines for Steam:

We understand the challenge of judging the appropriateness of the content that players upload and we’re not always going to get it right. On top of that, subjectivity and context always come into play when applying guidelines to unique content. Feedback from the community helps ensure that we are applying these rules correctly.

Neither those Rules and Guidelines for Steam nor the Steam Online Conduct state that "any decisions made by any member of staff or moderator are final and not subject to discussion." On the contrary, the section "What if my content was removed by mistake?" acknowledges that a moderator's judgment may not always be correct and encourages feedback from the community.

The rules and guidelines by Tripwire also deviate from the community moderation guidelines for game developers and publishers on the Steam platform.

Originally posted by KF 3 rules and guidelines:

The owners of Tripwire Interactive Forums reserve the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread for any reason, as well as to remove access to the forums for any individuals with or without warning for breaches of the rules.

This is Valve's stance on that matter:

Originally posted by Steamworks community moderation guidelines:

Deleting content sends a powerful message to players and should be reserved for highly offensive content or malicious things like phishing attempts. It should only be done when something is clearly in violation of the Steam Community Rules and Guidelines. Do not use the delete feature to hide negative opinions or criticisms of the game. Doing so will quickly turn your forum into a place to discuss moderator actions, instead of the game itself. Players have a right to express their discontent with a game or its features.

Bans are a last resort for violations of the Steam Community Rules And Guidelines. They should be temporary in order to serve as a reminder of the discussion rules.

If a player has received previous temp bans, it may be appropriate to permanently ban them from your Hub. If you do need to ban a player, please leave a clear, concise ban reason when doing so. This ban reason is visible to the player as well as other moderators.

Unfortunately, abuse of moderation privileges in community hubs about Killing Floor games is clearly on the rise. KF players are wary of "saying something" on that matter when they see it, as it may result in a Steam-wide community ban in case they have already been affected by poor moderation in other community hubs. It is important to point out that it is disrespectful towards the playerbase and that doubling down on it on the KF 3 forums will be detrimental to the success of the game in the long run.

[Sraigius]

Originally posted by IceBeam:

Unfortunately, abuse of moderation privileges in community hubs about Killing Floor games is clearly on the rise. KF players are wary of "saying something" on that matter when they see it, as it may result in a Steam-wide community ban in case they have already been affected by poor moderation in other community hubs. It is important to point out that it is disrespectful towards the playerbase and that doubling down on it on the KF 3 forums will be detrimental to the success of the game in the long run.

Hot damn, couldn't have said better myself. 👍

[Julianne]

Go take a look at Concord's discussions. This is not toxic. It's normal people behavior/awareness raised from bad practices made by shady companies nowadays.

[PJthePlayer]

This is one of the more toxic threads in this community TBH. Giving feedback to the developers isn't toxic.

[omgitsbees]

Originally posted by Muggz Munny:

Wow, this one even wins over Hunt Showdown or any CoD forum. And KF3 is not even out yet. Congrats on whatever you're were trying to achieve here.

This is pretty normal for any forum on Steam for a game that isn't out yet, or just released. It never calms down until the game and its playerbase have settled.

[MIND ЯEWIND 2]

you dont understand the situation
fans wanted for years to get back to roots(because even KF2 has many game design problems)

we just want to shoot flesh(specimens NO robots) with real weapons in modern graphics,is that really hard to understand? truly is?
we lost killing floor and we are righteously angry

[Muggz Munny]

Originally posted by SOuRCe_:

you dont understand the situation
fans wanted for years to get back to roots(because even KF2 has many game design problems)

we just want to shoot flesh(specimens NO robots) with real weapons in modern graphics,is that really hard to understand? truly is?
we lost killing floor and we are righteously angry

I do understand it, I've been around since the very first KF. But I also understand that people need to learn to let go, nobody owns us a thing. The sooner we get it the happier we'd become.