Aurelia is cringe

[Demonic]

What kind of amateur writer came up with the story for the game. Aurelia is such a badly written character I cant help but facepalm at her actions. "Look at what they did to Vizargo". Girl you are on the side that wants to kill everyone. Dont try to use logic when your argument is so weak, that a five year old can win you over in debate. Who the hell cries about injustice, when you are about to commit things just as bad?!
It would have been much better if she lost her mind completely and simply turned into a flat character of bloodthirsty villain, and then have her regain her wits for a plot twist, rather than this pathetic joke of an attempt to write a deep character.

[crystalgatedh]

There are other problems as well. For example, Bishop Hector at the beginning of the game accurately tells a tale where the humans were in the wrong, but then proceed to describe the Elosans as the bad guys without twisting the facts. When you want to justify genocide, you twist the facts to make the victims evil, you don't accurately describe a situation where said genocide would not be justified and then proceed to promote the genocide of the victims anyway. What would have made more sense is if Hector had given us a twisted and inaccurate version of the tale and then maybe Vizargo could have told the accurate version later.

There's Aelis who is awkwardly inserted into Edwin's past via a vague backstory.

I do think the story itself is decent, but the writing is not up to the task. It doesn't feel like the characters say what makes sense for them to say, rather it feels like they are reading the writer's script.

[Demonic]

Originally posted by crystalgatedh:

There are other problems as well. For example, Bishop Hector at the beginning of the game accurately tells a tale where the humans were in the wrong, but then proceed to describe the Elosans as the bad guys without twisting the facts. When you want to justify genocide, you twist the facts to make the victims evil, you don't accurately describe a situation where said genocide would not be justified and then proceed to promote the genocide of the victims anyway. What would have made more sense is if Hector had given us a twisted and inaccurate version of the tale and then maybe Vizargo could have told the accurate version later.

There's Aelis who is awkwardly inserted into Edwin's past via a vague backstory.

I do think the story itself is decent, but the writing is not up to the task. It doesn't feel like the characters say what makes sense for them to say, rather it feels like they are reading the writer's script.

I agree that to make better story twists the unreliable narrator in that introductory tale would work better, however I think it was made in reliable narration to give players a lot of background lore beforehand and avoid having to explain it all ingame.
Which actually is a missed opportunity, given that you can explore maps in campaign, devs could add more lore in the form of letters and journals or add some more scripted hero interactions (even if not voiced) when you explore some particular locations and convey everything that was in the introductory cut-scene just as well.

Speaking of characters, I have realised why Aurealia is so bad as a character.
Every other character seems to have a goal.
Queen has ambitions to take what's rightfully hers,
Vizargo seems to want revenge.
Edwin is trying to sacrifice himself for others cause of guilt.
Even Merek acts desiring to avoid responsibilities and indulge in booze.
Aurelia on the other hand has... no goal. She did seem to be eager to engage in fights, but that quality of her wasnt highlighted as a reason for switching sides. If she inherently was bloodthirsty and the crystal energy awoke the crazy in her, making her crave carnage and destruction, that would have been a better reason to switch sides, rather than "But look what they did to Vizargo! Orden bad!". Right now she has neither personality nor goals nor brains. Which means I was mistaken. She isnt an attempt to make a deep character with possible moral dillema. At this point Aurelia isnt even a flat character and she hardly adds anything to the story but frustration.

[Sunny]

Aurelia just like the typical bratty teenager only 100 times worse.


Earlier in the story:
"I didnt want to be held back by the order! Stop telling me what to do Edwin mimimimi. I just want to fight and kill people."

Later:
"Oh my god! They killed. Vizargo! Bastards!" -has internal moral dilemma about that killing is bad-
"Genocide bad!"

Later with Vizargo:
"What is your goal? Oh i dunno. Never thought about it. Adventure I guess?".

Vizargo: ".... Aurelia Im your father!" -does darth vader voice-
-slaughters an entire city-

Aurelia:
"Hahaha, I can kill people now! Screw you Edwin and your evil order! :) "
-proceeeds to commit genocide and slaughters-


Damn it Aurelia! The F you want?
She is so conflicting with herself and basically betrayed Edwin over not wanting to listen to stepdaddy of which the basic premise she agrees with!
Make up your damn mind Aurelia!

[Dan]

Originally posted by SunnySolaire:

Aurelia just like the typical bratty teenager only 100 times worse.


Earlier in the story:
"I didnt want to be held back by the order! Stop telling me what to do Edwin mimimimi. I just want to fight and kill people."

Later:
"Oh my god! They killed. Vizargo! Bastards!" -has internal moral dilemma about that killing is bad-
"Genocide bad!"

Later with Vizargo:
"What is your goal? Oh i dunno. Never thought about it. Adventure I guess?".

Vizargo: ".... Aurelia Im your father!" -does darth vader voice-
-slaughters an entire city-

Aurelia:
"Hahaha, I can kill people now! Screw you Edwin and your evil order! :) "
-proceeeds to commit genocide and slaughters-


Damn it Aurelia! The F you want?
She is so conflicting with herself and basically betrayed Edwin over not wanting to listen to stepdaddy of which the basic premise she agrees with!
Make up your damn mind Aurelia!

A female character who doesn't know what she wants and changes her mind every 5 minutes? This is the most accurate and well written female character ever.

Source: My wife does the same crap haha.

[cptawesome17]

i mean yeah people want a well written character and that's a more than fair ask but she is a woman,a teenager woman at that,rational and cohesive decisions are not their forte on top of that she basically goes mad with power(dark essence is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ with her mind as mentioned by edwin like twice).Fallen hero trope fits her pretty well(actually her story is reminiscent of anakin a bit as someone mentioned already),initially they are an order/jedi member who still have their rebeliious streaks,are corrupted by mentor/father figures and convinced they've been lied to and manipulated,and end up seeking to destroy everything they once protected.


All that said yeah trying to get the moral high ground on ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ edwin of all people is asinine to say the least.One other thing i didn't like about the campaign(which i generally liked a ton otherwise) is the veil lord turning vizargo(who was a very complex and interesting character on balance,hellbent on vengeance but also caring about common people) into generic bad guy #1234(and it sucks because the hidden figures at the end seem to be other veil lords who will probably possess vizargo/aurelia/future volatist heroes).Also blaming vizargo for his actions when he was basically a puppet?Does that mean hector would also have remained a good guy if the veil lord had not possessed him?If so that makes everything that much more tragic

[Vegetable Vampire]

Originally posted by cptawesome17:

i mean yeah people want a well written character and that's a more than fair ask but she is a woman,a teenager woman at that,rational and cohesive decisions are not their forte on top of that she basically goes mad with power(dark essence is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ with her mind as mentioned by edwin like twice).Fallen hero trope fits her pretty well(actually her story is reminiscent of anakin a bit as someone mentioned already),initially they are an order/jedi member who still have their rebeliious streaks,are corrupted by mentor/father figures and convinced they've been lied to and manipulated,and end up seeking to destroy everything they once protected.


All that said yeah trying to get the moral high ground on ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ edwin of all people is asinine to say the least.One other thing i didn't like about the campaign(which i generally liked a ton otherwise) is the veil lord turning vizargo(who was a very complex and interesting character on balance,hellbent on vengeance but also caring about common people) into generic bad guy #1234(and it sucks because the hidden figures at the end seem to be other veil lords who will probably possess vizargo/aurelia/future volatist heroes).Also blaming vizargo for his actions when he was basically a puppet?Does that mean hector would also have remained a good guy if the veil lord had not possessed him?If so that makes everything that much more tragic

So women and teenagers are incapable of rational thoughts? The incel is strong with this one.

[cptawesome17]

Originally posted by Vegetable Vampire:

Originally posted by cptawesome17:

i mean yeah people want a well written character and that's a more than fair ask but she is a woman,a teenager woman at that,rational and cohesive decisions are not their forte on top of that she basically goes mad with power(dark essence is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ with her mind as mentioned by edwin like twice).Fallen hero trope fits her pretty well(actually her story is reminiscent of anakin a bit as someone mentioned already),initially they are an order/jedi member who still have their rebeliious streaks,are corrupted by mentor/father figures and convinced they've been lied to and manipulated,and end up seeking to destroy everything they once protected.


All that said yeah trying to get the moral high ground on ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ edwin of all people is asinine to say the least.One other thing i didn't like about the campaign(which i generally liked a ton otherwise) is the veil lord turning vizargo(who was a very complex and interesting character on balance,hellbent on vengeance but also caring about common people) into generic bad guy #1234(and it sucks because the hidden figures at the end seem to be other veil lords who will probably possess vizargo/aurelia/future volatist heroes).Also blaming vizargo for his actions when he was basically a puppet?Does that mean hector would also have remained a good guy if the veil lord had not possessed him?If so that makes everything that much more tragic

So women and teenagers are incapable of rational thoughts? The incel is strong with this one.

not their forte = incapable in your world,good to know your reading comprehension is as high as your iq apparently.

and yeah i would like you to name the number of teenage girls you would turn to for advice on any real issue(you could argue the same is true for most teenage boys and you'd be right but a very small number of them can be surprisingly levelheaded).

good to know you had nothing to add to the discussion and just wanted to flamebait though

[Vegetable Vampire]

Originally posted by cptawesome17:

Originally posted by Vegetable Vampire:

So women and teenagers are incapable of rational thoughts? The incel is strong with this one.

not their forte = incapable in your world,good to know your reading comprehension is as high as your iq apparently.

and yeah i would like you to name the number of teenage girls you would turn to for advice on any real issue(you could argue the same is true for most teenage boys and you'd be right but a very small number of them can be surprisingly levelheaded).

good to know you had nothing to add to the discussion and just wanted to flamebait though

Ah, I see. The guy thinking that claiming someone's IQ is low is also the same person who makes sexist remarks.

First of all, IQ is meaningless, second of all, my IQ is about 120. So go suck a Frankfurter, because in either case your words are meaningless.

Advice on life choices is not the same as rational thought. One is based on experience, the other is based on reasoning which may or may not depent on life experience.

I don't have to name any teenagers I would turn to for advise. You are the one claiming they are incompetent, so it is you who has to provide that proof.

I guess you did not expect someone to actually challenge your sexist and low-brain-function remarks, did you?

[cptawesome17]

Originally posted by Vegetable Vampire:

Originally posted by cptawesome17:

not their forte = incapable in your world,good to know your reading comprehension is as high as your iq apparently.

and yeah i would like you to name the number of teenage girls you would turn to for advice on any real issue(you could argue the same is true for most teenage boys and you'd be right but a very small number of them can be surprisingly levelheaded).

good to know you had nothing to add to the discussion and just wanted to flamebait though

Ah, I see. The guy thinking that claiming someone's IQ is low is also the same person who makes sexist remarks.

First of all, IQ is meaningless, second of all, my IQ is about 120. So go suck a Frankfurter, because in either case your words are meaningless.

Advice on life choices is not the same as rational thought. One is based on experience, the other is based on reasoning which may or may not depent on life experience.

I don't have to name any teenagers I would turn to for advise. You are the one claiming they are incompetent, so it is you who has to provide that proof.

I guess you did not expect someone to actually challenge your sexist and low-brain-function remarks, did you?

I have to prove that teenagers are immature,as in that is not selfevident for anyone who i dont know has been on this planet for any amount of time?

I can see you're itching for a fight with a stranger because you have some deep unresolved issues I'm sure,but i won't be your avenue with that surely someone will take you up on your offer with your baseless ad hominems though soon enough,of that I have no doubt.I just pray that they don't do anything more drastic and give you a reality check by bashing your face in or some such.

[Crypto Gamer]

Teenagers(male or female) do not have fully developed prefrontal cortexes this also includes younger Adults.

So they are more likely to do reckless short term behaviors(usually dump stuff) without thinking about long term effects of said actions than an adult.
So once they mature they can often feel dumps for their previous years decisions especially long term effect like dept.
.Of course there are expections.

Young Males are on avg. more likely to take(stupid) risks some of them even die.......



Game wise.

I think she was an okay charater with reckless behaviour which even Edwin a mature old guy called out.

And dark Essence likely F-ed her mind in chapter 4.

Vizargo in the end likely was just a pawn.

I think story was okay but game likely would have needed around 15 missions to fully explore the games charaters.

But obv.this is a 20 Euro game and if we look at the survival wave defence RTS genre

Most of them basically has almost zero actual story like TAB.

So it is fine I hope to see a few map themes for survival eg. snow.