The new hero feels weak, in my opinion

[MeGa]

Hi! First of all, I am not a meta user, as in, I dont always use what has more power than the other alternatives.

I like niche, gimmicky things, and the queen of nothing can summon some soldiers, which is nice (they auto follow and auto fight), can enrage some units, and theorically has an ultimate to summon more of em (not unlocked yet).

But so far, the difference with the fire sword hero is abysmall. As in, she is not very useful, and im heavily gimping myself using her atm.

Not gonna throw random balance ideas, but well, I leveled her up a few times, played like 5h already, and is still summoning a single soldier. So that could be easily doubled, even at base level.

Opinions? Maybe when I unlock the ultimate is more worth it, but still, the other hero could really carry the first hours, easily cleaning everything during day, tanking nightmares, or standing in the door when a wave came.

The queen of nothing (sry cant remember the name yet xD) is like 1/4 of the other hero.

[i-am-noob]

Don't know about you but I find her a lot better then the fire sword guy ...

Yes he is easier to use initially on lower levels / waves, but after like 2nd wave I dump him in the base and he never really leaves it because he's not that useful.
Queen is harder on low levels, but on my first playthrough I leveled her far more then I did the fire guy ... so far reached level 7, summons up to 3 soldiers and has a ton of dmg. Also far better when standing at the door then fire guy.

I'm playing on Horrific, maybe fire guy is better on lower difficulties.

[dgresevfan]

Level 7? I thought level 5 was the max.

[FaerSlay]

Originally posted by dgresevfan:

Level 7? I thought level 5 was the max.

Now its level 10.

[Queco Jones21]

Haven't had the chance to play yet, but does she do any damage at all?? Whats her attack? Or is it just her soldiers?

[MadMax]

The max I could get her on Standard was 3 and she was at the front of everything and died quiet a lot. I'm not sure how you guys managed to get her past level 3. I cleared the map and won but she finished on lvl 3 after all waves and being at the front of the attacks. bug?
PS: I don't like her other power though, I tried it and my units were killed quicker..

[Alsanthair]

Originally posted by Queco Jones21:

Haven't had the chance to play yet, but does she do any damage at all?? Whats her attack? Or is it just her soldiers?

She does more damage then (Eldwin) but takes more damage, At lvl 2 she gets 1 Guard, lvl 5, 2 guards i believe, and lvl 7 3 Guards, They dont regenerate HP there max HP is 150, not sure if it increased on level, but they deal more damage then Soldiers but dont get the benefits of the traits so they will have less health.

Personally i Find Eldwin more Useful for Waves, and Queen more useful for Exploring, unless you Spam Archers or any Ranged units, Queens Ability to Trade HP for a Buff, isnt that useful on Melee Units, The 2nd i had her go defend a wave she died First immediately, VS Eldwin can actually tank a few hits and Clear Smaller Fry Faster.

Shes not that fancy, but personally i think shes really good at Exploring and Clearing Ground for you too expand. I got to Final Stand with Her VS with Eldwin I get stuck on Wave 4.
Then again i am using a mutator to Keep spawning Swarms in recently open Holes

[Firestorm]

Originally posted by Queco Jones21:

Haven't had the chance to play yet, but does she do any damage at all?? Whats her attack? Or is it just her soldiers?

She has guards that are kind of alright, just don't HP regen after battle. You have to keep using her summon ability to keep a healthy set around.

She does have her own primary attack that's pretty solid. It's a pierce/forward thrust pattern to go with her spear. Pretty good for death nights, since the attack pattern is ideal for waves funneled into a choke. You can also keep her back a bit more than fire guy and still be rather effective.

In short: Queen is for death nights. Edwin is for map clearing.

Which is why people are saying the fire dude starts stronger but falls off more than the queen at the end game.

[Queco Jones21]

Ooo, interesting, so she uses a spear. Thanks for the responses. Will see if i can try her tonight

[Giacomo Volpe]

With her you don't even have to make the shield bearer guys. She will become a one woman army.

[Queco Jones21]

Tried her out. Playing on hard.
She is interesting, but so far has been dying a lot more frequently than mr flame sword... at the moment have her at lvl 4.

Feel like she is missing a passive buff ability for troops. Everything is focused on her and her guardians, which isnt all that good so far. As a queen she should be more inspiring i guess? She seems very... selfish and spoiled.

Guess like most have been mentioning that she will excel once higher lvl and in the mid-late game.

[alden.monzon]

I think the sword guy is still overall better. IMO, they should have made her a ranged unit.

[rustylol]

I find her very strong for killing elites and death nights, she requires little more micro than Edwin, her guards do alot of dmg and her special ability (C) is easier to kill elites.

[Vegetable Vampire]

Alright, people obviously have no clue:

First skill: Summons 1 soldier and level up of that skill increases maximum soldiers, up to 5.
Second skill: Starts of weak, but the bonuses later outscale the 30% max HP loss (which is irrelevant for ranged units anyways and melee is garbage)
Third skill: Summons the MAX amount of soldieres the first skill allows for. On level 10, thats 5 soldiers. Also gives a huge damage boost and CC, because it adds stun to the guards' and the queen's attacks.

Also her melee attack range (cleave attack) is a straight line which goes up to 6 and can hit a ton of nightmares at once. She does not have as much HP as the other dude, but she makes up for that by summoning free melee meatshields.

[Vambran]

She overtakes Edwin lategame. I was sitting outside my gates the final death night and she would not go down. Constantly Summoning Guards and healing when they die. Edwin in the same situation would eventually run out of HP and have to retreat. The trade off is a painful early game before all her synergys start to kick in.

[MeGa]

Originally posted by Queco Jones21:

Tried her out. Playing on hard.
She is interesting, but so far has been dying a lot more frequently than mr flame sword... at the moment have her at lvl 4.

Feel like she is missing a passive buff ability for troops. Everything is focused on her and her guardians, which isnt all that good so far. As a queen she should be more inspiring i guess? She seems very... selfish and spoiled.

Guess like most have been mentioning that she will excel once higher lvl and in the mid-late game.

Agreed with this.

Now at lvl 5 its decent, but my other hero never died, this one did.

The buffs are not so great, and the skills, since they act as passives (summons) arent that fun.

We are in early access for a reason, so this feedback is needed