FROG ANTI-CHEAT SYSTEM IS A LIE

[Midra, Lord of Frenzied Flame]

I'm sorry to bring you the bad news, but the "turn cheaters into a frog" AC was a marketing stunt and a lie.
Valve lied to us (again) and I fall for it big time. I started playing Deadlock because I was outraged by the cheating problem in CS2.
But people already reporting that Deadlock is full of them. Classic Valve...

Video about the cheating problem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ht_n_Qy2Hw

As for me, I stopped playing the game for some time and I don't intend to go back.
I just wanted to mention and warn you about this issue.
Have fun.

[Jimmy9003]

Wow, thats intresting I didn't played against one for now (I play mostly quick play), with over 100h on my timer.
Also I didn't heard They released any new anti-cheat solution for now, I heard They are working on something. So what are Your sources of that "big lie"? If You can share, I would appreciate...
Also I would prefer some reliable resource not some youtube chanel farming drama for views on his videos.

[Midra, Lord of Frenzied Flame]

Originally posted by Jimmy9003:

Wow, thats intresting I didn't played against one for now (I play mostly quick play), with over 100h on my timer.
Also I didn't heard They released any new anti-cheat solution for now, I heard They are working on something. So what are Your sources of that "big lie"? If You can share, I would appreciate...
Also I would prefer some reliable resource not some youtube chanel farming drama for views on his videos.

I quickly googled it for you, so here is the first result: https://www.polygon.com/news/457527/deadlock-valve-cheating-frog-system

Here a dev talks about the "new anti-cheat" which was designed for CS but never got implemented: https://x.com/sptonjohn/status/1839477885582905651

I say it's a "big lie" because, apart from some marketing material, nobody saw this "anti-cheat" in action, while people are reporting massive cheater numbers in the game. And they go and play without punishment/ban.

Sad to hear that YT channels that are invested deeply in Deadlock are not good enough for you.

Not sure, what else you would consider reliable resoruces... Do you know that in the 21th century the most reliable news medias are Twitter/X, podcasts and Youtube?
I also linked an article for you, in case you prefer the old style.

[Jimmy9003]

Originally posted by Midra, Lord of Frenzied Flame:

I quickly googled it for you, so here is the first result: https://www.polygon.com/news/457527/deadlock-valve-cheating-frog-system

Here a dev talks about the "new anti-cheat" which was designed for CS but never got implemented: https://x.com/sptonjohn/status/1839477885582905651

I say it's a "big lie" because, apart from some marketing material, nobody saw this "anti-cheat" in action, while people are reporting massive cheater numbers in the game. And they go and play without punishment/ban.

Sad to hear that YT channels that are invested deeply in Deadlock are not good enough for you.

Not sure, what else you would consider reliable resoruces... Do you know that in the 21th century the most reliable news medias are Twitter/X, podcasts and Youtube?
I also linked an article for you, in case you prefer the old style.

First one "Polygon"?
Really, I asked for some source that doesn' t wannt to farm viewers, If They aren't one doing just that, then I'm Mikey Mouse.
They write literally about everything, just do to do it ASAP, be fastest and get sweet numbers up.
Second one is X post from "so he said" Dev working on VAC long ago..
But then I have opened his profil and first thing I see, "I didn't work at Valve or CS" in his small profile describtion? So He did worked on VAC or didn't, I really can't say, how do You know that, do You know him in person? I can't say its reliable source.

Also You say They "lie" because They used some marketing material? Where are those? I didn't saw Valve or game developers posting anything about that sill frog thing, or anything more beside this: "We are currently working on some cheating anti measures" in some game dev update notes, thats all. Nothing less, nothing more... Where is all that marketing material, If one line of text is marketing material, then wow.

Last one, about 21th century and all that realiable resources talk from You.
If You realy think social media or any media, gives You anything but 100% accurate data, then You must be either very honest or blind...
Todays media, and I mean like litteraly all of them are all about who is "fastest delivery guy".
They don't confirm, If that information You are "fed" is true or false, They just push it out ASAP to get some viewership, ad revenue, etc. They don't care about being at least sure it somehow accurate data.
So Yeah, I may be old school but I don't believe media, I prefer take multiple source data, compare them and make assumption myself... Its also not 100% accurate but atl least somehow close. Also I belive You are missplacing term of "most reliable resorurces" for "easiest to find", in 21th century its easy to do.

[Cleric]

Yep. Full on cheaters, but we get penalized for leaving the matches with the cheaters. No I'm not gonna sit here for 45 minutes playing against someone hacking. ♥♥♥♥ multiplayer games and ♥♥♥♥ this scumbag cheaters.

[Fuxleep]

Aimbots in every match I've had since last big update. Health cheats too.

[Midra, Lord of Frenzied Flame]

Originally posted by Jimmy9003:

Originally posted by Midra, Lord of Frenzied Flame:

I quickly googled it for you, so here is the first result: https://www.polygon.com/news/457527/deadlock-valve-cheating-frog-system

Here a dev talks about the "new anti-cheat" which was designed for CS but never got implemented: https://x.com/sptonjohn/status/1839477885582905651

I say it's a "big lie" because, apart from some marketing material, nobody saw this "anti-cheat" in action, while people are reporting massive cheater numbers in the game. And they go and play without punishment/ban.

Sad to hear that YT channels that are invested deeply in Deadlock are not good enough for you.

Not sure, what else you would consider reliable resoruces... Do you know that in the 21th century the most reliable news medias are Twitter/X, podcasts and Youtube?
I also linked an article for you, in case you prefer the old style.

First one "Polygon"?
Really, I asked for some source that doesn' t wannt to farm viewers, If They aren't one doing just that, then I'm Mikey Mouse.
They write literally about everything, just do to do it ASAP, be fastest and get sweet numbers up.
Second one is X post from "so he said" Dev working on VAC long ago..
But then I have opened his profil and first thing I see, "I didn't work at Valve or CS" in his small profile describtion? So He did worked on VAC or didn't, I really can't say, how do You know that, do You know him in person? I can't say its reliable source.

Also You say They "lie" because They used some marketing material? Where are those? I didn't saw Valve or game developers posting anything about that sill frog thing, or anything more beside this: "We are currently working on some cheating anti measures" in some game dev update notes, thats all. Nothing less, nothing more... Where is all that marketing material, If one line of text is marketing material, then wow.

Last one, about 21th century and all that realiable resources talk from You.
If You realy think social media or any media, gives You anything but 100% accurate data, then You must be either very honest or blind...
Todays media, and I mean like litteraly all of them are all about who is "fastest delivery guy".
They don't confirm, If that information You are "fed" is true or false, They just push it out ASAP to get some viewership, ad revenue, etc. They don't care about being at least sure it somehow accurate data.
So Yeah, I may be old school but I don't believe media, I prefer take multiple source data, compare them and make assumption myself... Its also not 100% accurate but atl least somehow close. Also I belive You are missplacing term of "most reliable resorurces" for "easiest to find", in 21th century its easy to do.

Please tell me what kind of sources do you trust. Teach us master.

[ChaffyExpert]

Do you have any proof of cheating? Because i haven't seen any cheating on my end- or at least not obvious enough for me to catch it.

(besides the video in OP with cheating. One example isn't really an "epidemic" and it's not like you can prevent all cheating even with dedicated moderators or anti-cheats.)

Btw i'm not defending Deadlock here, it's just i've never seen anyone that was definitely cheating like in OP's video in my own personal experience, and people exaggerate or cherry pick one example.

Same happens in MTGA, i've yet to personally see a hacker yet people claim they are "everywhere." *shrug* Maybe they are unlucky.

[ChaffyExpert]

Originally posted by Fuxleep:

Aimbots in every match I've had since last big update. Health cheats too.

That sounds like skill issue tbh

[{disaster} Take]

As much as I'm happy we have access to this under-construction wonder in a state that is nominally playable, it's tragic that we do, because now the team at Valve have to focus on aspects of the game today they would otherwise only be attending to maybe two years from now, like Balance, Bragging features and rewards, and of course mass cheating.
It being "closed" public alpha is a blessing and a curse.

[ChaffyExpert]

Originally posted by {disaster} Take:

As much as I'm happy we have access to this under-construction wonder in a state that is nominally playable, it's tragic that we do, because now the team at Valve have to focus on aspects of the game today they would otherwise only be attending to maybe two years from now, like Balance, Bragging features and rewards, and of course mass cheating.
It being "closed" public alpha is a blessing and a curse.

Yeah but it allows them to crack down on it earlier instead of opening the game and having it bombarded with negative reviews about cheaters.

[{disaster} Take]

Originally posted by ChaffyExpert:

Yeah but it allows them to crack down on it earlier instead of opening the game and having it bombarded with negative reviews about cheaters.

That's true, I suppose that's the main upside with access this early, if the 'easy' cheats are taken care of first before the game is done, they could potentially have a head start on the harder to crack cheats when the game goes properly public.

[Midra, Lord of Frenzied Flame]

Originally posted by {disaster} Take:

Originally posted by ChaffyExpert:

Yeah but it allows them to crack down on it earlier instead of opening the game and having it bombarded with negative reviews about cheaters.

That's true, I suppose that's the main upside with access this early, if the 'easy' cheats are taken care of first before the game is done, they could potentially have a head start on the harder to crack cheats when the game goes properly public.

CS is out there for more than 10 years and they didn't manage to crack down on the cheaters. Thinking that they only gathering infos and this way it's going to be easier to deal with them is insane amount of cope.

Nonetheless have fun with the game.

[ChaffyExpert]

Originally posted by Midra, Lord of Frenzied Flame:

Originally posted by {disaster} Take:

That's true, I suppose that's the main upside with access this early, if the 'easy' cheats are taken care of first before the game is done, they could potentially have a head start on the harder to crack cheats when the game goes properly public.

CS is out there for more than 10 years and they didn't manage to crack down on the cheaters. Thinking that they only gathering infos and this way it's going to be easier to deal with them is insane amount of cope.

Nonetheless have fun with the game.

Yeah because it's impossible to get rid of all cheaters, the best you can do is find and ban them.

Plus i'm pretty sure alot of these "cheaters" are just people with good aim tbh.

[Mages, Inc.]

Originally posted by ChaffyExpert:

Originally posted by Fuxleep:

Aimbots in every match I've had since last big update. Health cheats too.

That sounds like skill issue tbh

Says the banned account

[Sham!]

necro etc but i think the focus should be put on
- game journous lying as usual
- valve tryin to look good with these pr stunts instead of actually dishing out real bans