Haze has killed the game for me

[Fhuey]

Come back after 2 weeks and the team with Haze is 90% going to win, devs see this right ? She's way too OP and it just ruins the game. Every match now just turns into a drawn out snooze fest going into 40+ minute games. They need to just nerf the points/souls system and either give us more or reduce the prices of things and get this game rolling already. Nerf the obvious OP characters and stop dinking around with "Winter Updates" get the game in order first.

[Stellar Fox]

i'm sorry but if you find haze to be overpowered you're at a really low skill level and the only solution is to git gud. she gets worse and worse as you climb the ranks

[swatbot26]

Just get metal skin

[Fhuey]

Originally posted by Stellar Fox:

i'm sorry but if you find haze to be overpowered you're at a really low skill level and the only solution is to git gud. she gets worse and worse as you climb the ranks

you really just contradicted yourself and proved me right lol

[Fhuey]

Originally posted by swatbot26:

Just get metal skin

only works for so long

[GατΠιсЭ]

Deadlock is really a low-skill game by design. Anyone using git gud copium is truly unskilled at any real apm. It could be, eh, fun in some regards. Haze is the purest example of this and no idc how "OP" any hero is it just means the rest are inferior by design or no one would care otherwise.

[swatbot26]

Originally posted by Fhuey:

Originally posted by swatbot26:

Just get metal skin

only works for so long

Haze is powerful, but she is by no means unstoppable, even in the hands of really good players. Metal skin is great because it negates her damage entirely for a couple of seconds, which should be enough for you to either get away, damage her enough to force her to back off or downright kill her, considering she is entirely reliant on bullet damage and bullet life steal. If you're unable to do sufficient damage to her, you're probably too behind on farm (Haze is currently really good at farming so she usually gets pretty far ahead). In this case, you need to play avoiding her and only consider taking on her during team fights. Focus on stopping trooper pushes and clearing some encampments whenever you get the chance to get souls. Fight around your walkers. All of this helps close the gap. If the enemy team has a Haze that is clearly carrying them, get some other items to help aside from just metal skin. Return fire, Decay, Slowing Hex, Knockdown are all pretty good against Haze. Healbane is also good if you're a spirit hero. Debuff reducer and remover makes her 3 less of a hindrance.
Honestly, I don't think there are any heroes in the game that are straight up OP. Just some heroes that are much easier to do well with and get a ton of kills with, such as Haze. Pretty much every hero has a couple of items that can counter them pretty effectively. I used to detest Bepop and his hook+bomb combo, but debuff reducer+remover pretty much negates him entirely.
My issue with the game is the matchmaking. That desperately needs some work

[Gron]

Originally posted by Fhuey:

Originally posted by Stellar Fox:

i'm sorry but if you find haze to be overpowered you're at a really low skill level and the only solution is to git gud. she gets worse and worse as you climb the ranks

you really just contradicted yourself and proved me right lol

I think you are dyslexic.

[Fhuey]

Originally posted by Gron:

Originally posted by Fhuey:

you really just contradicted yourself and proved me right lol

I think you are dyslexic.

who cares what you think, just another simpleton

[Donut Steel]

Why do smooth-brains keep saying 'metal skin'?

Is it because they have smooth-brains?

Haze's major damage ramp-up is Fixation, which isn't even Spirit damage(Update: it now has added Spirit) and yet it goes straight through metal skin. Only base-line bullet damage is halted by MS.

Really, when a Bepop had a big-brained move to uppercut mid-ult Haze towards me, I could tell it was one of the kids from the generation that breathed in too much lead from petroleum, because it's like hitting a button that causes them to announce that they're an imbecile that pays no attention to the game, only what other imbeciles are saying.

'Buy metal skin and STFU', is their calling card.

[swatbot26]

Originally posted by The Man With No Aim:

Why do smooth-brains keep saying 'metal skin'?

Is it because they have smooth-brains?

Haze's major damage ramp-up is Fixation, which isn't even Spirit damage and yet it goes straight through metal skin. Only base-line bullet damage is halted by MS.

Really, when a Bepop had a big-brained move to uppercut mid-ult Haze towards me, I could tell it was one of the kids from the generation that breathed in too much lead from petroleum, because it's like hitting a button that causes them to announce that they're an imbecile that pays no attention to the game, only what other imbeciles are saying.

'Buy metal skin and STFU', is their calling card.

Then get debuff reducer and remover, angry man

[Donut Steel]

Originally posted by swatbot26:

Originally posted by The Man With No Aim:

Why do smooth-brains keep saying 'metal skin'?

Is it because they have smooth-brains?

Haze's major damage ramp-up is Fixation, which isn't even Spirit damage and yet it goes straight through metal skin. Only base-line bullet damage is halted by MS.

Really, when a Bepop had a big-brained move to uppercut mid-ult Haze towards me, I could tell it was one of the kids from the generation that breathed in too much lead from petroleum, because it's like hitting a button that causes them to announce that they're an imbecile that pays no attention to the game, only what other imbeciles are saying.

'Buy metal skin and STFU', is their calling card.

Then get debuff reducer and remover, angry man

Let me feel your smooth noggin.

[Deverin]

Originally posted by swatbot26:

Originally posted by The Man With No Aim:

Why do smooth-brains keep saying 'metal skin'?

Is it because they have smooth-brains?

Haze's major damage ramp-up is Fixation, which isn't even Spirit damage and yet it goes straight through metal skin. Only base-line bullet damage is halted by MS.

Really, when a Bepop had a big-brained move to uppercut mid-ult Haze towards me, I could tell it was one of the kids from the generation that breathed in too much lead from petroleum, because it's like hitting a button that causes them to announce that they're an imbecile that pays no attention to the game, only what other imbeciles are saying.

'Buy metal skin and STFU', is their calling card.

Then get debuff reducer and remover, angry man

if you need to buy items so a champ is balanced
then the champ isnt balanced
its a fact that fixation is op
but feels like the biggest problem is just that haze has 0 bullet spread
with fixation she can even do insane dmg on range
the ult is just a nice extra
especially for early player farming when they have almost no chance to counter it

[deyoos]

Well bullet armour does help against all characters

[KidzBopDeathGrips]

Originally posted by swatbot26:

Just get metal skin

Metal Skin doesnt work anymore. Her ult is spirit damage now.

[Donut Steel]

Originally posted by deyoos:

Well bullet armour does help against all characters

If Metal Skin, the item that is supposed to reduce Bullet damage to 0 for the duration, does not work against Fixation, what makes you think Bullet Armour does?

By all means we can easily test it, BUT it still means an item even more expensive than Metal Skin is being suggested.

Maybe, just maybe: a character that has no recoil/spread on a fast weapon, a fast base move-speed, a CC, cloaked movement boost, an on-hit passive debuff that actually does it's own unique damage, small hitbox, even smaller critical spot, and an instant-cast AoE ult with all passive benefits applying...might be a problem to balance?

Oh and they're all on some of the lowest cooldowns of any character with similarly strong kit.

Geist at least pays for her low cds with her health, and miserable restrictions on the abilities supposed to restore it.

Infernus can only stack ignite which does no damage until it changes to burning, which can only be refreshed: it doesn't stack, which is a mistake a lot of people still seem to be making by spamming bullets rather than taking single pot-shots to refresh the burn.

Wraith's equivalent to the sleeping dart happens to be her actual ult, and it's easier to dodge as long as you reach a safe spot.

Originally posted by KidzBopDeathGrips:

Originally posted by swatbot26:

Just get metal skin

Metal Skin doesnt work anymore. Her ult is spirit damage now.

Added Spirit damage. It's still mostly Bullet+Fixation, but the devs must have thought Haze wasn't strong enough. I just tested and saw for the first time: they have added Spirit damage to Fixation too.

This is what designing games using spreadsheets does: creates perverse outcomes in reality whilst chasing mythical statistic equilibrium.