New Heroes are so broken its actually no fun

[maxz]

Basically comes down to "who has calico" (unless the players that play them absolutely suck a**).

Guess I'll have to stop playing until the balance is somewhat even.

[Aleuvian]

Yeah, I personally feel like Calico is more than a bit overtuned, and I think her pick rate suggests that as well. For a character whose description is:

Originally posted by Deadlock:

"Calico uses the shadows to her advantage, weaving in and out of combat to hunt down her enemies one by one."

You would expect this to indicate that this is a flanker, support-style character designed to deal burst damage, but not be the direct showrunner of a fight. Someone who can be really scary if they isolate you, like Haze.

The issue is that she can 1v4 pretty comfortably because she has a chunky, scaling, radial heal and an ultimate that makes her completely immune to damage while dealing significant damage, and it resets cooldowns giving you an extra refresher to keep your 2 up.

[Zadabra]

Calico is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ridiculous she can 1 vs 4 easily its stupid as ♥♥♥♥

[Schizm]

Honestly every single change they have made to this game since day 1 of the beta has made me like the game less and less. The new hero are kind of just the straw that makes me not want to play anymore.

[maxz]

Originally posted by Schizm:

Honestly every single change they have made to this game since day 1 of the beta has made me like the game less and less. The new hero are kind of just the straw that makes me not want to play anymore.

I feel this. A lot.
I personally liked most changes up until a certain point.
After that it just became a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of buffing and nerfing, that made Balance even worse. Before you had some chars that are like 10% worse or better than the Rest.
All the balancing made it more of a -60% to +200% hero Power scale where some heroes are lowkey griefing level bad, and some Heroes like calico are so damn OP they can pretty much dictate who wins the match.
I really like the game and hope it succeeds but man does valve make weird decisions that make the game a little less good every time.

[Aleuvian]

Originally posted by Schizm:

Honestly every single change they have made to this game since day 1 of the beta has made me like the game less and less. The new hero are kind of just the straw that makes me not want to play anymore.

My main issue is that balance changes are really slow, but that's mostly because I believe Valve is working on another game and most of their staff are working on that, while Deadlock has a team kind of working on it whenever they have time.

It's a strange way to approach development, but Deadlock has always had a troubled development history dating back to when it was called Neon Prime and the artstyle was completely different.

[Teal]

Not saying that Calico isn't OP but more people just need to buy Slowing Hex as the hard counter to her - it's a sub 1500 item that shuts down both the ult and the 2 for 3 seconds. Stack multiple on the team and time the releases and she's pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[RedWood]

I used to think Viper was extremely overpowered after seeing him lead every other player in the game by 40K souls. But then I got to play him, and know I know, he is extremely overpowered. My first game I with him I dominated every person I ran into. I didn't do as well as the Vipers I fought the previous 3 games. I know this because I was using his abilities. The Vipers I fought never used their abilities because why would they. His gun was doing about 1200 DPS.

I'm done playing this until they nerf the new characters.

[Irrbloss]

Calico and Vyper have ruined this game, it's no longer fun, thanks to their op ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Vyper's gun is so stupidly powerful no matter how much you slow her down it just delays her. As for calico, Decay and slow hex helps, but that self-sustain for someone whos suppose to be a support-like flanker she sure as ♥♥♥♥ dont care about subtley as all i see is just every brainlet calico run in a straight line kill 2-4 people and just walk away in 50 miles/h

I've uninstalled the game, if I dont see nerfs next patch (Which are also too few and way to far inbetween) I dont think I'll be coming back. They really had something here, and they destroyed it.

[Aleuvian]

Originally posted by Irrbloss:

Calico and Vyper have ruined this game, it's no longer fun, thanks to their op ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Vyper's gun is so stupidly powerful no matter how much you slow her down it just delays her. As for calico, Decay and slow hex helps, but that self-sustain for someone whos suppose to be a support-like flanker she sure as ♥♥♥♥ dont care about subtley as all i see is just every brainlet calico run in a straight line kill 2-4 people and just walk away in 50 miles/h

I've uninstalled the game, if I dont see nerfs next patch (Which are also too few and way to far inbetween) I dont think I'll be coming back. They really had something here, and they destroyed it.

In my experience, Vyper is less of a problem because she is very, very squishy and all of her sustain comes from bullet lifesteal, so any stun whatsoever or fire rate slow annihilates her survivability. Try using Knockdown or even Metal Skin (same thing you use for Haze) as a hard counter.

[I am a cat]

I feel like there are ways to shut them down pretty easily tho. It is just because they are new so everyone doesn't know well how to play against them yet. Just give people time.

[AdderTude]

Originally posted by I am a cat:

I feel like there are ways to shut them down pretty easily tho. It is just because they are new so everyone doesn't know well how to play against them yet. Just give people time.

Calico just ends all fun in a match. Pure Spirit Lash is the same way, and if both are on the opposite team, then a W is all but guaranteed for their side. Haven't won a single game in two nights.

[GatorAid]

Originally posted by I am a cat:

I feel like there are ways to shut them down pretty easily tho. It is just because they are new so everyone doesn't know well how to play against them yet. Just give people time.

There are ways to stop every character/ability if you have a coordinated enough team but 1. I don't think you should have to pull off some intricate plan with multiple people and items to temporarily stop the advance of 1 character if you're at the same soul amount. 2. I don't think that you should have to buy any item specifically for 1 character at your soul level or you lose the game. Key word being HAVE to.

Either that, or every character should be designed like that, where they have a singular niche item you require when playing against them. And I don't mean the generalized bullet/spirit resist/shield items.

[GatorAid]

Originally posted by AdderTude:

Originally posted by I am a cat:

I feel like there are ways to shut them down pretty easily tho. It is just because they are new so everyone doesn't know well how to play against them yet. Just give people time.

Calico just ends all fun in a match. Pure Spirit Lash is the same way, and if both are on the opposite team, then a W is all but guaranteed for their side. Haven't won a single game in two nights.

I don't know all of the history of the game and updates, I started August 30th. I used to be okay at the game, 50/50 win rate with my mains. Now I can't even do damage to people. Meanwhile, my opponents take me from 100% to 0 in 2-3 seconds at most. I don't really understand what caused this as I followed the patch notes and updates, but I just don't enjoy the game anymore as is. All I do is lose now and it doesn't feel like I ever had a chance.

[maxz]

Originally posted by GatorAid:

Originally posted by AdderTude:

Calico just ends all fun in a match. Pure Spirit Lash is the same way, and if both are on the opposite team, then a W is all but guaranteed for their side. Haven't won a single game in two nights.

I don't know all of the history of the game and updates, I started August 30th. I used to be okay at the game, 50/50 win rate with my mains. Now I can't even do damage to people. Meanwhile, my opponents take me from 100% to 0 in 2-3 seconds at most. I don't really understand what caused this as I followed the patch notes and updates, but I just don't enjoy the game anymore as is. All I do is lose now and it doesn't feel like I ever had a chance.

this probably is due to people becoming good.
initially noone knew how to properly play, and by now the skill ceiling has been increased quite drastically I'd say.
If your skill level mostly remained the same, but others put in the hours to become very good, thats probably the result you're experiencing now

[GatorAid]

Originally posted by maxz:

Originally posted by GatorAid:

I don't know all of the history of the game and updates, I started August 30th. I used to be okay at the game, 50/50 win rate with my mains. Now I can't even do damage to people. Meanwhile, my opponents take me from 100% to 0 in 2-3 seconds at most. I don't really understand what caused this as I followed the patch notes and updates, but I just don't enjoy the game anymore as is. All I do is lose now and it doesn't feel like I ever had a chance.

this probably is due to people becoming good.
initially noone knew how to properly play, and by now the skill ceiling has been increased quite drastically I'd say.
If your skill level mostly remained the same, but others put in the hours to become very good, thats probably the result you're experiencing now

I don't see a single reason to believe that's the case. And I don't think there is one which is why you didn't give it.