Valve abandon their games. Why do you want to play deadlock?

[kez]

TF2 has been invaded with bots for 7 years with broken matchmaking system on top of that, cs2 recently was ported to source 2 and had no new operations ever since. Not to mention half life and other single player games.
Its already a common thing in valve: release game/major content update, monetize it with community made updates and spit minuscule patch only when people start outcry.
I have no doubt that the same fate would strike deadlock as well, so why even start playing it in the first place?

[Gabe Ate My Zombies]

Have you played the game?

[kez]

Originally posted by Gabe Ate My Zombies:

Have you played the game?

I did, it was not my type of game but overall it seemed pretty nice.
You've played respectable time in valve games, deadlock included. Don't you feel like something wrong going on with longevity of valve games?

[HellDuke]

It depends on how you look at it.

Team-Fortress 2, came out in 2007. So let's assume it was infested with bots for 7 years (probably less), it still means it had at least 10 years of proper support and limited issues.
Counter-Strike: Global-Offensive came out in 2012 so let's assume that CS2 cuts it off (in reality CS2 is just GO on a new engine) that still leaves it at a good 11 years of support, not to mention there is no evidence that CS2 got abandoned. Lack of operations is not an indicator of abandonment, bug fixes, maps etc. are being worked on.
Dota2: the game came out in 2013 and is still going strong, another 11 year and still running title.

So then the perspective is "Valve abandon games regularly" versus "Valve games have a lifespan of at least 10 years". Most live service games do not survive at the levels they did for as long as Valve games do.

The only game that I recall got abandoned was Artifact, but that was basically a botched release with bad business practices. Valve rarely make games, but when they do, you can safely assume it's a good pick out of what comes out in the same genre.

[Sham!]

Originally posted by kez #bringBackQuickplay:

Its already a common thing in valve: release game/major content update, monetize it with community made updates and spit minuscule patch only when people start outcry.

it seems to me that a colossal portion, probably the vast majority of steam users is blissfuly unaware of current valve modus operandi and think it's the same game dev of 2004

in the last 10 years they completely crippled their credibility in any possible way and yet you see people flocking at the first hint of modern game slop they dish out

it is what it is, i also think this game will have a decent release only to fall flat on its face by the first year simply due to neglect, unless ice frog actually takes care of like 90% of the game development for the rest of its life

[RenownedGaslighter]

Originally posted by Sham!:

Originally posted by kez #bringBackQuickplay:

Its already a common thing in valve: release game/major content update, monetize it with community made updates and spit minuscule patch only when people start outcry.

it seems to me that a colossal portion, probably the vast majority of steam users is blissfuly unaware of current valve modus operandi and think it's the same game dev of 2004

in the last 10 years they completely crippled their credibility in any possible way and yet you see people flocking at the first hint of modern game slop they dish out

it is what it is, i also think this game will have a decent release only to fall flat on its face by the first year simply due to neglect, unless ice frog actually takes care of like 90% of the game development for the rest of its life

Genuinely, I think they are going to play a very careful and meticulous game with deadlock's development. After the absolute flop that was Artifact, they are likely going to try and take advantage of this huge playerbase and positive spotlight they've currently garnered with the deadlock early access. This is a big opportunity to craft an entirely new playerbase for a game that could last for years if well maintained. I think they are smart enough to know they could do something with this. They have their own share of scummy business practices, but i always felt they were among the least scummy of big budget studios, and do seem to give a ♥♥♥♥ in putting out fun to play products that are accessible to most. We'll see where it goes, but i'm not feeling too worried about deadlock just yet.

[kez]

Originally posted by RenownedGaslighter:

if well maintained.

Only if they willing to. For example they said that banning bots from tf2 is a treadmill work aka they not willing to do that, and only after two rounds of backlash they finally did their work.

Judging by the company structure which consist of only highly talented people that do whatever they want and contractors sometimes the company have no manpower to do treadmill work (maintaining the games)

[kez]

Originally posted by Sham!:

it seems to me that a colossal portion, probably the vast majority of steam users is blissfuly unaware of current valve modus operandi and think it's the same game dev of 2004

in the last 10 years they completely crippled their credibility in any possible way and yet you see people flocking at the first hint of modern game slop they dish out

Actually I'm never thought about that that way. People that i know and i just dislike the company because of what they did to the beloved games and never though about the overall picture outside of tf2/cs community. I guess that why community post are exist. To learn more

Originally posted by Sham!:

unless ice frog actually takes care of like 90% of the game development for the rest of its life

Is Icefrog one of the original creators of dota 2?

[Thierren]

The only thing I truly fear that Valve might do is cancel the project.

I went through a phase of playing TF2 daily for a few years, and it hurts to see the current state of the game. I criticize Valve for not giving it the content it deserves, but even so, Deadlock it’s still a game as a service without commitment.

Even if tomorrow it launches as a paid game, it's highly likely that I would buy it (as long as it's not unnecessarily expensive) because it's genuinely fun, and I like supporting risky projects, especially from companies like this. If Valve just wanted to make more money, they would release more content for CS2 and Dota 2, but they move beyond just that. They genuinely seek to deliver a quality product and make things they really want to make.

Inevitably, the game will "die" at some point, but that doesn’t mean I won’t enjoy the journey.

[Linkcity]

Originally posted by Thierren:

The only thing I truly fear that Valve might do is cancel the project.

I went through a phase of playing TF2 daily for a few years, and it hurts to see the current state of the game. I criticize Valve for not giving it the content it deserves, but even so, Deadlock it’s still a game as a service without commitment.

Even if tomorrow it launches as a paid game, it's highly likely that I would buy it (as long as it's not unnecessarily expensive) because it's genuinely fun, and I like supporting risky projects, especially from companies like this. If Valve just wanted to make more money, they would release more content for CS2 and Dota 2, but they move beyond just that. They genuinely seek to deliver a quality product and make things they really want to make.

Inevitably, the game will "die" at some point, but that doesn’t mean I won’t enjoy the journey. :bbtduckshark:

theres no way they let this free momentum go

[linguisticspaceship]

I don't get the "why play it in the first place" thing when TF2 and CS have had YEARS of longevity. Both still have active communities and, while CS2 isn't in the greatest place, communities for CSS still exist. I played Day of Defeat source a few days ago on a full server, and that game is long forgotten by Valve. 10 years is great for a multiplayer games lifespan, and if Deadlock only lasts 4 years before "dying" (which is just lack of official support while community efforts still carry) I'd still be happy with it.

[David]

the game is free bro

[bad weather yes]

all three of these games are free, idk why people are freaking out. shouldve been alive sooner to play tf2 and not catch it when its on its way out, instead your here acting like that is not how it works

[Sham!]

Originally posted by bad weather yes:

all three of these games are free

only dota2, tf2 and csgo had a pricetag of 20$ or so
they went f2p once valve started shifting their business model to mtx and loot crates, consequently they stopped doing the so called "treadmill work" and started offloading most of the creative work to the community

no biggie, at the time at least, since both games were actually really well crafted for their respective genre

currently imo they simply lack the actual talent to make a game that can stand with the bare minimum effort from their side, and without an already consolidated community i dont see any of their new projects to ever reach the same longevity of those games

[Jimmy9003]

And what it has anything to do with having fun playing game? Nothing last forever, that's also part of gaming and live in general.
Also, You seem to forgot that before those games was put aside, They were immensely supported by valve for years. Some new games can't live for even 20%, of what valve games been through.

[McFlurry Butts]

for real for real, tf2 only last like a few months