Please nerf Haze

[say when]

Me and a friend most of the time loose to a Haze. In the early game, we play solid, win lane, get some kills and so on (when we have good games). The haze starts farming and avoiding conflict and gets in a 10k plus soul lead. its over.
bullet resistence is not enough anymore, metal skin can get you out of her ult radius but killing her is only possible if the whole team focuses her. it is incredibly hard to win against an average haze player, if 2 or 3 of your teammates are not as good on their heros.
Gun damage on heros like haze and wraith gets stupidly strong really fast and resistances can't hold up anymore. if you cant finish the game in under 30 minuits, fast fireing, gun damage stacking heros, will roll you.
i really hope this is just a skill issue because id really like to win those games.

[{disaster} Take]

The solution to your problem may be to constantly steal Haze's farm. If you win lane, and take over early game, steal their camps. Starve Haze of freefarm so that she needs to smack crates for pennies, or dare to come into a lane. This solution doesn't even require you to engage with Haze at all.
The tricky part there is, of course, you're closer to enemy territory. The deal should be to get in, snag the swag, and gtfo before they see you in the cookie jar.

[say when]

Originally posted by {disaster} Take:

The solution to your problem may be to constantly steal Haze's farm. If you win lane, and take over early game, steal their camps. Starve Haze of freefarm so that she needs to smack crates for pennies, or dare to come into a lane. This solution doesn't even require you to engage with Haze at all.
The tricky part there is, of course, you're closer to enemy territory. The deal should be to get in, snag the swag, and gtfo before they see you in the cookie jar.

thanks, this might help.

[zywers]

get active items and you'll make haze ult unusable

[[HR]Nao]

Originally posted by kyomu ❀:

get active items and you'll make haze ult unusable

except theres multiple items that cleanse

[Bug Guy]

Originally posted by HRNao:

Originally posted by kyomu ❀:

get active items and you'll make haze ult unusable

except theres multiple items that cleanse

There are good defensive ones such as Warp Stone, Metal Skin, and Ethereal Shift that will still work even if she has Unstoppable

[Caluti]

They already did nerf her, check the most recent patch notes. But yea bullet ressist item and gank her

[Linyos Torvoltos]

Originally posted by {disaster} Take:

The solution to your problem may be to constantly steal Haze's farm. If you win lane, and take over early game, steal their camps. Starve Haze of freefarm so that she needs to smack crates for pennies, or dare to come into a lane. This solution doesn't even require you to engage with Haze at all.
The tricky part there is, of course, you're closer to enemy territory. The deal should be to get in, snag the swag, and gtfo before they see you in the cookie jar.

This is definitely the way to do it. I believe Haze struggles most during laning, so you need to get ahead as much as possible to capitalise on that.

[Platapoop]

I don't believe haze can cleanse curse with unstoppable. However if she uses unstoppable before you use curse, then it will be completely wasted. And any competent haze will get unstoppable pretty quickly.

Metal skin is the best. Usually that is enough to get away from her in time if you're pretty good with jump dash techs. If not, warp stone or majestic leap is pretty good too. I would not go ethereal shift. Her ult can last longer than 10 seconds mid game. Kinda wish debuff remover worked against her (IT DOES NOT).

The hardest part about fighting haze is having the rest of your team buy metal skin too.
Depends what characters you're playing, but if you have anything that reduces fire rate (got nerfed, feels bad), it could save some of your garbage teammates.

[Boss of this Gym]

Play wraith, when they press 4 you press 4 and then 3 and spray them

[greensniperhat]

Ulting Haze, meet Mo's 4.

[{disaster} Take]

Originally posted by Platapoop:

Majestic Leap sets itself on a short CD if you take damage from a Hero, so you can't use it as a response to Haze's ult.
An entire team buying Metal Skin is 99 out of 100 times a mistake. For one hero? Just your whole team buying that on it's own is a win for Haze's teammates, because that's one item back your entire team has set themselves.
Better positioning and awareness helps way more than an entire team buying the same niche counter item. As in, don't all sit in lane in front of the enemy Walker, spread out and use those side ledges, whack some nearby boxes or even steal a nearby camp while two of your teammates threaten the Walker. This way, you're not in direct line of sight and aren't likely to get blown up with your team, but are in earshot and just seconds away from your team and can show up if a fight breaks out suddenly.
Realistically, even if she gets the drop on you, a lone Haze should only be picking up one kill (Sleep dagger doesn't drop invis, and it removes 1 Stamina, meaning without any extra Stamina from items, most Heroes can't escape). She shouldn't be team wiping on her own, that's on the individual skill fault of each teammate at that point.

Two more things that counter Haze ult.
Cover. Yes, cover. For a while, the AoE was sneaking over some things it shouldn't have, but those booths in the middle lanes are enough cover to take no damage from her ult.
Bullet Resist. Yes, bullet resist. It sounds counter-intuitive, because she can just pick up Resist Shredding, but almost all of her damage is Bullet, and everyone has a gun anyway, so it's never an outright bad option when against a Haze.
Oh, and bonus counter, Time Wall, which used to only stop the ricochet bullets from her Ult, but now works against Haze ult. It's Hero specific, but people already hate Haze's ult to the point of suggesting a whole team pick up Iron Skin, so I feel okay suggesting a hard counter like this.

[Atrox314]

To the 2 above saying use your ult to stop a Haze, i use silencer right before i ult with Haze so good luck with that, To the OP Haze is somewhat of a glass cannon with some ways to avoid being caught. if you use some of the above mentioned items to nullify her damage and have the ability to stun her she can go down fairly easy.

[SharkPlush]

when haze uses her ultimate use divine barrier and run or warp stone teleport away, just around a corner and she can't hit you at all. Do the reverse to get the drop on her if you notice she's on cooldown.

[MikeMuscles]

Originally posted by Linyos Torvoltos:

Originally posted by {disaster} Take:

The solution to your problem may be to constantly steal Haze's farm. If you win lane, and take over early game, steal their camps. Starve Haze of freefarm so that she needs to smack crates for pennies, or dare to come into a lane. This solution doesn't even require you to engage with Haze at all.
The tricky part there is, of course, you're closer to enemy territory. The deal should be to get in, snag the swag, and gtfo before they see you in the cookie jar.

This is definitely the way to do it. I believe Haze struggles most during laning, so you need to get ahead as much as possible to capitalise on that.

Everyone says "Haze is weak during laning" but she lands one single sleep dagger on you early and suddenly you've taken over 60% or death depending on if you're in a solo or duo lane, and despite the shrunken hitbox, it still handily connects when you're behind objects and walls.

I want to know how she's weak, because after playing her and winning the past 5 lanes and snowballing into a monster, I can't see it myself.

[{disaster} Take]

Originally posted by MikeMuscles:

Everyone says "Haze is weak during laning" but she lands one single sleep dagger on you early and suddenly you've taken over 60% or death depending on if you're in a solo or duo lane, and despite the shrunken hitbox, it still handily connects when you're behind objects and walls.

I want to know how she's weak, because after playing her and winning the past 5 lanes and snowballing into a monster, I can't see it myself.

For the record, I think she's a decent laner, but she doesn't have a proper wave-clear, which is what most players don't pick up on. She's nasty in a duo, especially since she can gank really well, and the wave-clear can be covered by her lane partner if they need it.
Also, I think her ult unlock isn't as big of a power spike as it is for most other heroes. Paradox can kill most heroes quite reliably with the help of a guardian once she gets an unlock, and it helps her ult isn't on cooldown for two minutes, and Mo can all but guarantee a kill unless his intended victim gives up the lane altogether or gets a clutch counter-rotate to help. Haze's ult doesn't threaten nearly as hard early game.

If you're stomping as Haze, keep it goin'. Seems like the Hero's a natural fit for you.