Denying the farm is a dumb mechanic

[40-7]

Characters like Warden with Slow firerate and velocity just have 0 chance in lane against characters like wraith with high firerate and velocity in early game.

Most of the time they can get 2k farm advance in 5mins and if you try to finish the minions by melee, they usually punish you with a massive trade forcing you to backfoff.

You usually need a gank from someone but most players just farm their lanes until 15-20mins. And at this point, you're already behind 5-10k depending on the situation.

And since you unlock and upgrade your skills by farming souls too, your laner usually just dive you when they are confortably ahead. Final blow, since you're so far behind now, your utility is drasticlly reduced when the teamfights start.

[Diamond Doge]

The deny mechanic needs to be either removed completely or reworked. The new strat is to not shoot the enemy minions just steal soul orbs from the enemy when they kill your minions to get double the soul lead early on then stomp. Also as you said the vary in firing speed for characters makes the game a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ slog to play now if you are laned against a HFR character that just does nothing but focuses stealing.

[Simply Cerberus]

Originally posted by Diamond Doge:

The deny mechanic needs to be either removed completely or reworked. The new strat is to not shoot the enemy minions just steal soul orbs from the enemy when they kill your minions to get double the soul lead early on then stomp. Also as you said the vary in firing speed for characters makes the game a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ slog to play now if you are laned against a HFR character that just does nothing but focuses stealing.

The fire speed is kind of the main problem. Most have a machine gun for easy last hits and denies. But not 'all' do so its ♥♥♥♥♥♥ when ya get laned to to
I can already see some people just going 'just go for melees'. Yes, let me go throw myself in the middle of the lane and take poke. Constantly, surely it'll end well

[Eu Sunt DracuL]

I agree the deny mechanic is dumb people either abuse it or don't even care and on top of that I think switching lanes is far too quick and easy in this game which makes it super easy to gank and should be changed.

[EVONiEE 疾風迅雷悪魔]

it just doesnt fit the game pace, coming from divine level player in dota.

in late game you still have to shoot random orb instead of fighting enemy which is silly distraction.

early game is so boring because chasing kill / pressuring enemy doesnt mean ♥♥♥♥ if they still able to cs and you dont get many soul advantage if the lane is equal, so you better off focus on cs yourself.