Ultimate CC abilities

[Cain]

ok personally i wanna start by saying MOST of the CC is fine with all the non ult abilities really hitting the mark for being good CC that slows but or partially disables but doesnt fully ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stop. with that said, ULTIMATE CC is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ broken because ult abilites need to be strong and thus if they CC its not just HARD CC but usually so easy and costless to do that any braindead moron can do it. some of the best examples are wraiths ult which locks down melee fighters especially for ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ like 5 seconds which is more than enough time with her possible dmg output to drop you while mo and krills ult fully stops EVERYTHING you could do for like 10 seconds and while it doesnt do much damage on its own, its if its used in a team fight, its basically an instant kill on whoever got grabbed.

TLDR; non ultimate CC by and large is fine but ult CC needs to be removed and replaced and i say this as a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ abrams main who thinks seismic impact would honestly probably be better off giving a regen over time for the amount of damage done or something where if you did like 2000 dmg, it heals 2000 dmg a second for like 5 seconds or maybe a little longer to make it a proper dive ability that allows abe to ♥♥♥♥ up teams by jumping in on em without it having to be an annoying lockdown hard CC ability that can lead to a charge into a wall for another temporary stun while getting pummeled the whole time.

[Amogus]

I could see them lowering down the multi-target part of Wraith's ulti at max level to 2/3 targets instead of 6, but that's about it

[Cain]

Originally posted by MUG Root Beer:

I could see them lowering down the multi-target part of Wraith's ulti at max level to 2/3 targets instead of 6, but that's about it

that would still leave the fundemental issue with CC ultimates as i brought up hers as a abrams main who whenever i fight that ♥♥♥♥, it is insta death as its basically just a better version of mo and krills ult that lets her lock you down in the air where you cant do ♥♥♥♥ to stop it while she lays into your head which even can kill a like over 2.5k hp abrams.

[Cain]

Originally posted by MUG Root Beer:

I could see them lowering down the multi-target part of Wraith's ulti at max level to 2/3 targets instead of 6, but that's about it

beyond that its still in such early access that even yamato to my understanding is at least getting a total design overhaul coming so this is the perfect time for them to rework all CC ultimates and either remove and replace them or just adjust what they do with my examle of how to change abes ult being a good example where you remove its annoying stun (again i only play abrams so i dont even fight it most of the time) and instead give it a regen boost where you heal for X amount of hp over time based on the percentage of total damage done while also giving it a damage boost to make it so you are encouraged to dive on multiple grouped up enemies so you can get hp regen for like the next 10 seconds that can force them to ult dump you to even try to kill you as even ♥♥♥♥ like the professor ult or wraiths ult still wouldnt be able to kill you till the regen runs out of it you hit enough people.

[Amogus]

Originally posted by Rook:

Originally posted by MUG Root Beer:

I could see them lowering down the multi-target part of Wraith's ulti at max level to 2/3 targets instead of 6, but that's about it

that would still leave the fundemental issue with CC ultimates as i brought up hers as a abrams main who whenever i fight that ♥♥♥♥, it is insta death as its basically just a better version of mo and krills ult that lets her lock you down in the air where you cant do ♥♥♥♥ to stop it while she lays into your head which even can kill a like over 2.5k hp abrams.

Wraith's ulti as a single target won't scale into late game too well unless you build items that increase duration since a 1.75 second stun isn't all that great in the late game when you compare it to something like Haze's sleep dagger that can sleep you for 3 seconds

Sure, you might not be able to attack the person that's sleeping, but it can either keep that person out of the fight or be used to catch up to them and secure the kill anyways. With single target, Wraith's ulti would be even less useful since it already has a relatively close cast radius, so you'd have to somewhat expose yourself to get off a single target stun that lasts for 2 seconds AND has a travel time as I've had people who ran away from the stun for 10 seconds straight before getting caught

Realistically speaking, single target would only be good for targeting solo heroes and do very little to help with bigger team fights later in the game

[CarpetMat]

Wraith's ulti is a close range slow projectile so you can dash/blink away but yes, when you get caught in the best case you end up with 20% HP

[Amogus]

Originally posted by CarpetMat:

Wraith's ulti is a close range slow projectile so you can dash/blink away but yes, when you get caught in the best case you end up with 20% HP

Only if you use it in ideal situations with either competent teammates and/or bad enemies

Otherwise, it's just a mild inconvenience to the enemy team and they'll just keep playing like nothing happened

[Cain]

ive been thinking as i have gone to take a shower and cool my head from the annoyance i faced when playing against a really good wraith as abes and think i have realized the real issue with hard CC and especially thinking about the CC that doesnt bug me with one of the best examples being infernus' ult and its made me realize that its simply being locked down without the ability to do ANYTHING/HARD CC in general thats the issue and stuns or disables or slowdowns arent anywhere near as annoying because AT LEAST you can do something during them. perhaps a change to make it so she applies massive slowdown and or maybe even a like .5 second to 1 second stun which would still let her knock people outta ult would be an example of how to change wraith and thus from there, a template on how to change other hard CC that goes too far for too little effort.

[ViexxAz]

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[Amogus]

Originally posted by ViexxAz:

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Unstoppable + Metal Skin = Nearly unkillable