Nerf Haze Already

[Twisted]

I've got loads of clips where she wipes a hole team by pressing 4 or kills you before you can dash out of her radius or where she stacks actives like Unstoppable, Silencer, Colossus and Vampiric Burst and you literally can't do anything but die.

jUsT taKe MeTal SKiN. How you gonna use that 3.5s active against a stealth Haze that pops Silencer and melts your whole team in 2 seconds with her ult which lasts up to like 20 seconds?

Remove the ability to stack actives with her ult and/or reduce the damage/radius of her ult.

[Cleric]

The radius is so small now days it's pretty easy to get out of man. I'm with you, it's gross, but I don't think it's nearly as bad as it was.

[Null Winter]

A lot of her problems would be solved if her ult didn't count as normal bullets: That would stop the main issue of not allowing counter-play by disabling constant AOE Silencer. It would also drop her effectively uncapped damage output from it comboing with literally every other "on bullet hit" effect, especially bouncing bullets, Lucky Shot, and Tesla.

Anyone who says "Metal Skin lol skill issue" is an idiot who doesn't think of the common contexts. In a teamfight situation, she's popping AOE Silencer from Invisible, so you'd have to psychically pre-cast it; in one-on-one, she's either ambushing out of Invisible with Silencer OR if it's early-game, she'll Sleep Dart through it and wait out Metal Skin's duration before instantly stacking 40 procs of Fixation.

[DarkSalad]

Sounds like a skill issue

[Black]

♥♥♥♥ haze delete the hero

[✖tasy]

Yeah no she has to go

Just lost two winnable games, actually carried hard, we only had 1 teammate. who died a lot, and it was because of Haze pulling her whole weak team out of the ♥♥♥♥

Was 24/7 molesting her with Paradox's wall and silence until she just powefarmed into Unstoppable and it is GG
You have to have wallhack in order to Curse her before she ults out of invis
And if you manage to beat that she can just tap you into body with full auto while being full damage and having nothing besides Bullet Lifesteal

This hero has to go, nuff said
Game is awesome, and this is the only character that just powerfarms out of loss and wins with 2 buttons, while 6 people have to build 6200+ items to silence her and somehow predict her moves out of invis and somehow avoid her own silence and immunity and somehow fight the rest of the team
It's just busted beyond belive, people need to have 800iq to play Lash, Viscuos, Paradox, etc, while Haze players just faceroll on keyboard and win, just because fuq enemy team, amirite

And don't get me started on Return fire and Metal Skin and Curse, we were and are buying that, it's not a soultion when champ can just play offside, powerfarm, buys certain item and it's g

Make her ult ap, nerf retarded passive with dmg boost and she is fine, right now she is just a no-brain champ, the only difference to Abrams is that she has to flank and TIME HER ULT.

[David]

Haze is the worse carry hero in high ranked right now. She takes too long to come online with damage and is easily negated with Metal Skin. Blocks her whole ulti.

[David]

Seven/Wraith/Infernus is much stronger than Haze. Haze needs buff LOL

[RÆP]

Originally posted by ✖tasy:

Yeah no she has to go

Just lost two winnable games, actually carried hard, we only had 1 teammate. who died a lot, and it was because of Haze pulling her whole weak team out of the ♥♥♥♥

Was 24/7 molesting her with Paradox's wall and silence until she just powefarmed into Unstoppable and it is GG
You have to have wallhack in order to Curse her before she ults out of invis
And if you manage to beat that she can just tap you into body with full auto while being full damage and having nothing besides Bullet Lifesteal

This hero has to go, nuff said
Game is awesome, and this is the only character that just powerfarms out of loss and wins with 2 buttons, while 6 people have to build 6200+ items to silence her and somehow predict her moves out of invis and somehow avoid her own silence and immunity and somehow fight the rest of the team
It's just busted beyond belive, people need to have 800iq to play Lash, Viscuos, Paradox, etc, while Haze players just faceroll on keyboard and win, just because fuq enemy team, amirite

And don't get me started on Return fire and Metal Skin and Curse, we were and are buying that, it's not a soultion when champ can just play offside, powerfarm, buys certain item and it's g

Make her ult ap, nerf retarded passive with dmg boost and she is fine, right now she is just a no-brain champ, the only difference to Abrams is that she has to flank and TIME HER ULT.

paradox abusers complaining about the worst hero in the game, you love to see it folks.

[Z_Money925]

She has already been nerfed and has not got an buff in the last two major patches. A good Haze player knows how to play around MS, RF and Silence lol.

[TasteDasRainbow]

Haze takes like 30k to go online, maybe you shouldn't idle farm until that happens

[RÆP]

Originally posted by Z_Money925:

She has already been nerfed and has not got an buff in the last two major patches. A good Haze player knows how to play around MS, RF and Silence lol.

there's ♥♥♥♥ all in terms of counterplay to ms or rf. otherwise haze wouldn't be the universally agreed worst hero in high elo play.

[{disaster} Take]

Originally posted by ✖tasy:

Conserve Stamina. That should help more than any item.
Also, if her team was so far behind and you beat her in lane, why are you letting her powerfarm? Steal her farm! It's yours now! Take it all so she hasn't a choice but to try and push a lane. What they gonna do, fight you?

[Shurikn]

l2p issue fr
its like making a nerf pa thread at the dota forum
only low mmr players / noobs complain about haze being broken/op

[Immortal pos 5/4]

Big skill issue. Haze is considered a low tier character by most competitive players currently.

Personally I think she is still too strong in lane, but other than that she's completely fine, if not slightly underpowered. Any hero that can get a free heavy melee has 100 to 0 potential in-lane, and she is the only character that can do so for free, from any range. I also think her passive deals too much damage in lane.

[✖tasy]

Originally posted by forced 50 agent:

Originally posted by ✖tasy:

Yeah no she has to go

Just lost two winnable games, actually carried hard, we only had 1 teammate. who died a lot, and it was because of Haze pulling her whole weak team out of the ♥♥♥♥

Was 24/7 molesting her with Paradox's wall and silence until she just powefarmed into Unstoppable and it is GG
You have to have wallhack in order to Curse her before she ults out of invis
And if you manage to beat that she can just tap you into body with full auto while being full damage and having nothing besides Bullet Lifesteal

This hero has to go, nuff said
Game is awesome, and this is the only character that just powerfarms out of loss and wins with 2 buttons, while 6 people have to build 6200+ items to silence her and somehow predict her moves out of invis and somehow avoid her own silence and immunity and somehow fight the rest of the team
It's just busted beyond belive, people need to have 800iq to play Lash, Viscuos, Paradox, etc, while Haze players just faceroll on keyboard and win, just because fuq enemy team, amirite

And don't get me started on Return fire and Metal Skin and Curse, we were and are buying that, it's not a soultion when champ can just play offside, powerfarm, buys certain item and it's g

Make her ult ap, nerf retarded passive with dmg boost and she is fine, right now she is just a no-brain champ, the only difference to Abrams is that she has to flank and TIME HER ULT.

paradox abusers complaining about the worst hero in the game, you love to see it folks.

Beyond clueless my brother

The only abusable champ right now is the one with invis, full ad conversion in all her skills, ability to rapidly farm any camp and mow down any target with any resistances and Colossus just by holding m1 and pointing

Meanwhile, Paradox "abusers" have to position correctly, build properly to survive, farm, hit 3, hit 4, use 2 correctly to deny enemy abilities, hit 1 to have max effect, since grenade is not a stun, but simply a pulsing slow. Not to mention having only ad scaling on carbine and huge cd in early and midgame.

You just gave yourself out by saying that Paradox is OP, learn to stomp her during lane and never text about her again. I get that you saw some clickbait Mikaels ♥♥♥♥ and believe that this champ is somehow busted, but it's not, compared to certain others