Nerf Shivs

[Ghost Of Al Pacino]

5/10 matches there is a broken shiv build that you cant even kill even with 1 vs 5 u should not be unkillable at 15min.

[Null Winter]

He suffers at long-range; snipe him down.

Silence means he can't use Bloodletting to clear his deferred damage or any of his abilities.

Decay is a really good active item that shuts down any self-heal he uses and quickly turns a good chunk of his HP bar into deferred damage.

Abrams' Charge 100% trumps Slice & Dice.

He has no burst damage outside of Slice and absolutely perfect double-barrel blasts at close range. Serrated Edge can miss and has a tiny projectile with travel time and drop.

If he goes melee... parry. Anyone can parry at any time.

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Meanwhile, Haze: "While invisible and moving at over 10mps sprint speed, I popped Silencer and ult to wipe the full team in under 3 seconds".

[NegativeZero]

Shiv is definitely overtuned right now.

[Peep]

agree, i've seen a few clips of shiv winning 1v6, definitely OP if you can do that. I think his ult one shots when enemy is at 28% health? Maybe they should just turn that down to like 15%

[Ponyeater]

Yeah Shiv is clearly overpowered. There is a pattern. Teams with shiv win significantly more and with much ease, even when the rest of the team is terribad.

[Asclepiust]

Post feedback at forum.
Hope devs detect a lot of similar posts there and change(nerf) this unkillable hero with ton of dmg

[Zer0]

maybe yall should build healbane - toxic bullets - armor - ehtereal void can hold off his ult a few more secs. Haze is the one button hero.

[Zer0]

Haze buiulds three items and is almostunstoppable

[Asclepiust]

Originally posted by steeze on the 1 fps:

maybe yall should build healbane - toxic bullets - armor - ehtereal void can hold off his ult a few more secs. Haze is the one button hero.

You forgot about decay or slowing hex...but all this items wont help))
This hero literally can be 0-100 but if it bought 2-3 main dmg items and 1 vamp = game over for you
P.s. 4 games in a row vs shiv, 3 of them won but in all games this hero pain in the 9ss

[Null Winter]

Originally posted by Asclepiust:

Post feedback at forum.

Last I checked, you could only get an account on the dedicated original "secret beta test" forum by jumping through Discord hoops like a good little consumer monkey; before the leaks, that was pretty much limited to special streamers and a few lucky QA people with actual experience in beta testing.

[DarkSalad]

From the 10-24 Update (today) notes:

- Shiv: Base speed reduced from 7.3 to 7.0
- Shiv: Serrated Knives collision radius reduced by 20%
- Shiv: Bloodletting cooldown increased from 21s to 50s
- Shiv: Bloodletting T2 cd increased from -4.75s to -25s (final cd changed from 16.25s to 25s)
- Shiv: Bloodletting duration increased from 10s to 13s
- Shiv: Bloodletting Incoming Damage Deferred reduced from 30% to 22%
- Shiv: Bloodletting T1 changed to +8% Incoming Damage Deferred (was +5s duration)
- Shiv: Killing Blow range reduced from 20m to 13m
- Shiv: Killing Blow Rage buildup per heavy melee reduced from 3.5 to 2.75
- Shiv: Killing Blow Rage buffer duration reduced from 10s to 9s
- Shiv: Killing Blow Rage buildup vs creeps reduced by 50%

[Asclepiust]

Originally posted by Null Winter:

Originally posted by Asclepiust:

Post feedback at forum.

Last I checked, you could only get an account on the dedicated original "secret beta test" forum by jumping through Discord hoops like a good little consumer monkey; before the leaks, that was pretty much limited to special streamers and a few lucky QA people with actual experience in beta testing.

I have access there since may. So its not a big deal
Forum helps, shiv nerfed)

[STOUT SHAKO FOR 2 REFINED]

Dont group up to close, buy a curse - shiv is dead

[SharkPlush]

"Take only a portion of incoming damage immediately and defer the rest to be taken over time. Activate to clear a portion of the deferred damage."

I don't usually take curse.

"So this dude bought Slowing Bullets and Mystic Slow. I'm guessing that this is almost entirely a waste, right?"

No, I shot him while he couldn't get away fast enough and when I missed I spirit slapped him while he couldn't get away fast enough and then he's dead because our whole team dogpiled him.

What is the worst thing for a player living on borrowed time? Less of it. It would literally be be good even if they didn't stack at all, because you'll still have a slow to tag them with when your mag is empty or vice versa.

If you are buying curse and not using a weapon damage build, there are better actives to choose. That's literally some parrot stuff. He can just get cursed, survive the ~3 seconds and move on.

While the healing reduction of Toxic Bullets doesn't mess with his damage mitigation, the bleed damage seems to screw him over anyway.

[SharkPlush]

Quit telling people to just healbane, curse, LOOK at the other hero, if they have bought leech items then buy healbane. If they have not stacked bullet or spirit lifesteal do not buy a counter for nothing. "oh noes its so unfair I have to buy these 4 items is 1000000 spirit its so unfaaaair and it still doesnt even work half the time!"

I guess those are TF2/Overwatch/League people?

Here's how to have a blast with any game in this genre: Every time you hate something, play it. When you own with it, you will know its weakness. I agree that Shiv needs some balancing. If you play 1 hero, or even a small subset of heroes, you will suck eggs except when you don't. If you play every hero, and try all the items, you will quickly find you don't need a build page at all.

[Black]

♥♥♥♥ haze delete the hero