Lash is the dumbest most unfair hero ever

[ChaffyExpert]

Literally click one button, bounce up in the air, then back down and instant kill, it's so stupid literally every game with a Lash player said Lash player has like 20 kills and carries the game.

[venom]

He is an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

[Null Winter]

The nearly limitless scaling damage on his ground slam is dumb, but it makes him predictable; you know he's always going to try and do it from a high area or as a follow-up to his ult. So, break LOS to prevent the ult, or use Ethereal to dodge it and the ground slam. Silencing him also effectively removes him from the game. His gun is mediocre and meleeing without a stun to make it safe is how he gets parried and instantly blown up; outside of his ability combo, he's a sitting duck and really easy to duel.

Outside of items and character abilities, he can't get much distance scaling for ground slam if you're up on a roof (there's only so high he can go compared to the roof) or if you're both underground/indoors (there's a literal ceiling preventing him from getting max scaling).

[Stellar Fox]

lash just feels like a different version of wraith and wraith is already unbalanced and both unfair and unfun to play against. at least wraith is forced to ambush an isolated person, lash can just jump into your teamfight, stay in the air for 30 seconds with max stamina, heal costantly, and whenever he wants he can just grapple your entire team for a free unavoidable 2k damage combo (unless your entire team has ethereal shift)

[ChaffyExpert]

Originally posted by Null Winter:

The nearly limitless scaling damage on his ground slam is dumb, but it makes him predictable; you know he's always going to try and do it from a high area or as a follow-up to his ult. So, break LOS to prevent the ult, or use Ethereal to dodge it and the ground slam. Silencing him also effectively removes him from the game. His gun is mediocre and meleeing without a stun to make it safe is how he gets parried and instantly blown up; outside of his ability combo, he's a sitting duck and really easy to duel.

Outside of items and character abilities, he can't get much distance scaling for ground slam if you're up on a roof (there's only so high he can go compared to the roof) or if you're both underground/indoors (there's a literal ceiling preventing him from getting max scaling).

There may be counters to it, but i don't think there should be any hero that can just instant kill you if you can't move for a second (so many stuns) or can't move fast enough, or because they got the jump on you. It's hard to dodge, and if you are in a team fight i don't really see how to avoid it since you will likely be moving around, getting stunned by someone, or just overall focusing on the teamfight.

Wraith at least requires using their ult and everything else they have to try and kill them quickly, and the ult only works in relatively close range.

Lash can act like Vindicta in terms of sniping but instead of needing aim, just clicks a button, and instant kills, and is less telegraphed. (since vindicta has the laser before their ult and needs to weaken people to below 50% health, which no sniper would have a laser precisely because it gives them away)



I don't see why they can't nerf Lash's abilities, he would still be strong if they did less damage because he can easily escape and re-use his abilities.

Or just buff up his gun so it's less of a one-hit wonder and is more of a "can assassinate like Wraith or act as a damage support."

I mean, he can bounce away and escape easily with his abilities, so there isn't really any reason for the instant kill, because he can just use his abilities, bounce away temporarily, then bounce back and use his abilities again, like How Bebop uses his Grapple, Bomb, then Punches away, hides waiting for his abilities to reset, then does it again.

Bebop shows you can totally have a hero that focuses on knocking out people, without it being an instant kill if hit by an ability.

[Bug Guy]

His balance probably isnt perfect but the idea of Lash is fine. His slam is risky, it is a VERY close ranged ability, and he does not have that much health. Outside of using his slam, his DPS is limited unless he invests more heavily in Weapon damage. So he is relegated to relying on that burst damage. Because of this, he gets some serious power spikes, but that also makes him predictable, as said above. Burst has been getting nerfed somewhat consistently too so expect it to keep changing in favor of everyone but him

[rBose]

Yeah keep raging sweetie, meet you ingame <3

[Gladiator Yeti]

how to counter lash.... fight in a building. play mo and krill

[ChaffyExpert]

Originally posted by Bug Guy:

His balance probably isnt perfect but the idea of Lash is fine. His slam is risky, it is a VERY close ranged ability, and he does not have that much health. Outside of using his slam, his DPS is limited unless he invests more heavily in Weapon damage. So he is relegated to relying on that burst damage. Because of this, he gets some serious power spikes, but that also makes him predictable, as said above. Burst has been getting nerfed somewhat consistently too so expect it to keep changing in favor of everyone but him

Can't wait for that. All the other heroes are pretty much fine but Lash is unfun and ruins every game he is in.

[my butt is erect]

I went into the testing place to see just how far his leap goes. The answer... about 42 miles. It's ****ing insane. Feels autolose if I'm vindicta.

[Free* Jewish Magic]

hes fun to play as, with, and against. nerfing him because some low elo kids don't know to buy eshift/hex/spirit resist and the whole multitude of items good against lash is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ idea.

[ChaffyExpert]

Originally posted by forced 50 agent:

hes fun to play as, with, and against. nerfing him because some low elo kids don't know to buy eshift/hex/spirit resist and the whole multitude of items good against lash is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ idea.

I dunno about "fun to play as" but he is certainly not fun to play against, and no character should have an ability that just one-shots, so he just has to spam his abilities then hide until he wins.

I don't see why nerfing the worst most unfun instant-kill hero would be a "bad idea" it would only make the game better, i could do without literally anyone playing him.

He is broken in a way that other characters just aren't.